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> but damnit kid, get a job. Do something with yourself. I graduated just before 25, and my first job didn't have benefits because although I was working 40 ho

by serge2k 10y ago

> but damnit kid, get a job. Do something with yourself. I graduated just before 25, and my first job didn't have benefits because although I was working 40 hours they called it casual. > Birth Control, yes and no. We should be able to opt out paying for it, especially if it goes against my religion and frankly it does, but I won't stop others from opting in and paying for it. No, you shouldn't have the right to decide what your employees get to do with their health care. You don't have the right to decide who they sleep with and how. This is the theocratic, forcing my bullshit voodoo beliefs onto others crap that makes the republican party so repugnant.

AnimalMuppet 10y ago
Not quite so fast. If it's their healthcare, paid for with their money, then you have a point. If it's "their" healthcare, but paid for with my (the employer's) money, and I have moral objections to abortion and birth control, but you're going to require me to pay for it anyway? Who's forcing their beliefs on others now?
- serge2k 10y ago
  Do you also place restrictions on what they can buy with their paychecks?
  - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
    You sound like you are deliberately trying to ignore my point, and just want to argue. Just in case you missed it, though: Paychecks are their money. Now, I'll ask again. Are you going to place restrictions on what I (the business owner) buy with my money?
    - serge2k 10y ago
      No, paychecks are compensation given by you to them in exchange for work performed. Health care benefits are also part of that compensation. Why should you have any say in how your employee uses that compensation. Your employees use of their health care plan is none of your damn business. Trying to use health care to regulate their behaviour based on your religious views is a particularly nasty form of oppression.
      - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
        But trying to force me to buy something that is against my conscience isn't a nasty form of oppression? Trying to regulate my behavior based on your non-religious views is just fine? Pot, meet kettle.

by serge2k 10y ago

AnimalMuppet 10y ago

Not quite so fast. If it's their healthcare, paid for with their money, then you have a point. If it's "their" healthcare, but paid for with my (the employer's) money, and I have moral objections to abortion and birth control, but you're going to require me to pay for it anyway? Who's forcing their beliefs on others now?

serge2k 10y ago
Do you also place restrictions on what they can buy with their paychecks?
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  You sound like you are deliberately trying to ignore my point, and just want to argue. Just in case you missed it, though: Paychecks are their money. Now, I'll ask again. Are you going to place restrictions on what I (the business owner) buy with my money?
  - serge2k 10y ago
    No, paychecks are compensation given by you to them in exchange for work performed. Health care benefits are also part of that compensation. Why should you have any say in how your employee uses that compensation. Your employees use of their health care plan is none of your damn business. Trying to use health care to regulate their behaviour based on your religious views is a particularly nasty form of oppression.
    - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
      But trying to force me to buy something that is against my conscience isn't a nasty form of oppression? Trying to regulate my behavior based on your non-religious views is just fine? Pot, meet kettle.