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>If they start pulling away Healthcare for millions of Americans ... and Americans start dying because of this - well, there will be a revolution of sorts. Whi

>If they start pulling away Healthcare for millions of Americans ... and Americans start dying because of this - well, there will be a revolution of sorts. Which should be a very strong indication that's not going to happen. Despite the endless propaganda, Republican lawmakers are neither stupid nor evil. People are not going to be left uncared for, that's just political fearmongering, and we don't have to fall for it.

edblarney 10y ago
They can definitely be stupid, and they can sometimes be borderline evil - making jail time for crack 80x greater than for cocaine because of the offender demographics, that's pretty evil (and stupid). 1) They are voting to repeal ACA in real time. 2) They have not offered even a hint of an alternative. This is not only going to be potentially damaging those who will lose their coverage - but it's also incredibly difficult for business: there is no roadmap. Insurers, and all other businesses small and large now are left in the dark with respect to their future. Introducing such ambiguity is definitely stupid, and it's 'anti businesses'. They have at least two years of unlimited power, they should debate solutions, narrow it down to an actionable plan, and then modify ACA in a well thought out process. As it stands, they're just rolling back laws and haven't discussed anything else, which I think is irresponsible. They don't need to be in such a panic.
- Gargoyle 10y ago
  Neither of your points 1 or 2 are accurate, instead they reflect the political fearmongering I mentioned. People lament that our politics are so divided. Mis-stating the situations we're in and exaggerating for political gain are a root cause of that. Do not be part of the problem. Stop spreading the fear.
  - edblarney 10y ago
    This is false. 1) They are repealing ACA as we speak - the legislative process has been introduced. They are voting today. This is fact. 2) There is no alternative. Neither Republicans nor Trump have offered any plan. There are no white papers, working groups, coordinated policy plans, and certainly no legislation. This is also a fact. So what you're dismissing as 'fear mongering' is reality. I don't have a problem with a total re-factor of ACA - but it needs to be done responsibly, thoughtfully, with diligence and transparency. They're screwing it up on a day one: rolling back legislation that affects 100% of Americans and 100% of business - without a plan. It's totally irresponsible. They are doing it quickly (and recklessly) for political reasons, instead of an underlying impetus of 'good governance'. Which is too bad, because it's a complex issue and there's work to be done.
    - Gargoyle 10y ago
      You can keep restating the same things, but they still aren't accurate. The ACA is not being repealed today. This simply is not true. It's not what is happening. Saying that it is is in fact fearmongering. The ACA will still be in place tomorrow. It will be in place next week. It is not being repealed as we speak.
      - dmode 10y ago
        Are you saying he is incorrect because the ACA is being repealed and delayed ? The Senate already voted on the budget bill and House is supposed to vote for full repeal. They may delay the repeal, but how is incorrect that they are voting for repeal ?
      - edblarney 10y ago
        "The ACA is not being repealed today" Yes, it is. The Congressional process was started today: http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-repeal-process-senate-vote-2017-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-repeal-process-sena... This is a fact. And it is also a fact that the GOP has no plans whatsoever in terms of what it will be replaced with. If you have access to any working groups, white-papers, or legislation otherwise - provide a link. You can't - because there is nothing. Obviously it will take some time to clawback all of the legislation, but it is being repealed as we speak. "The ACA will still be in place tomorrow. It will be in place next week." Obviously - but what are businesses around American doing now? They have no way to make plans, they have no idea what the future holds. This is 'anti business' and 'anti responsibility'. The responsible thing to do would be to craft a plan - and then put the gears in motion so that people know what is going to happen, and individuals and businesses have insight as to what will invariably affect everyone in America. The Republicans have full control of Congress and they can expedite the repeal at least parts of ACA fairly quickly - once that is done - there is no ACA. Boom, it's gone. Insurers will have to make fluctuating, ambiguous ongoing changes to their polices. With no alternative. It's laughably irresponsible. There should be a plan, not a scramble into the void.
        Gargoyle 10y ago

edblarney 10y ago

They can definitely be stupid, and they can sometimes be borderline evil - making jail time for crack 80x greater than for cocaine because of the offender demographics, that's pretty evil (and stupid). 1) They are voting to repeal ACA in real time. 2) They have not offered even a hint of an alternative. This is not only going to be potentially damaging those who will lose their coverage - but it's also incredibly difficult for business: there is no roadmap. Insurers, and all other businesses small and large now are left in the dark with respect to their future. Introducing such ambiguity is definitely stupid, and it's 'anti businesses'. They have at least two years of unlimited power, they should debate solutions, narrow it down to an actionable plan, and then modify ACA in a well thought out process. As it stands, they're just rolling back laws and haven't discussed anything else, which I think is irresponsible. They don't need to be in such a panic.

Gargoyle 10y ago
Neither of your points 1 or 2 are accurate, instead they reflect the political fearmongering I mentioned. People lament that our politics are so divided. Mis-stating the situations we're in and exaggerating for political gain are a root cause of that. Do not be part of the problem. Stop spreading the fear.
- edblarney 10y ago
  This is false. 1) They are repealing ACA as we speak - the legislative process has been introduced. They are voting today. This is fact. 2) There is no alternative. Neither Republicans nor Trump have offered any plan. There are no white papers, working groups, coordinated policy plans, and certainly no legislation. This is also a fact. So what you're dismissing as 'fear mongering' is reality. I don't have a problem with a total re-factor of ACA - but it needs to be done responsibly, thoughtfully, with diligence and transparency. They're screwing it up on a day one: rolling back legislation that affects 100% of Americans and 100% of business - without a plan. It's totally irresponsible. They are doing it quickly (and recklessly) for political reasons, instead of an underlying impetus of 'good governance'. Which is too bad, because it's a complex issue and there's work to be done.
  - Gargoyle 10y ago
    You can keep restating the same things, but they still aren't accurate. The ACA is not being repealed today. This simply is not true. It's not what is happening. Saying that it is is in fact fearmongering. The ACA will still be in place tomorrow. It will be in place next week. It is not being repealed as we speak.
    - dmode 10y ago
      Are you saying he is incorrect because the ACA is being repealed and delayed ? The Senate already voted on the budget bill and House is supposed to vote for full repeal. They may delay the repeal, but how is incorrect that they are voting for repeal ?
    - edblarney 10y ago
      "The ACA is not being repealed today" Yes, it is. The Congressional process was started today: http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-repeal-process-senate-vote-2017-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-repeal-process-sena... This is a fact. And it is also a fact that the GOP has no plans whatsoever in terms of what it will be replaced with. If you have access to any working groups, white-papers, or legislation otherwise - provide a link. You can't - because there is nothing. Obviously it will take some time to clawback all of the legislation, but it is being repealed as we speak. "The ACA will still be in place tomorrow. It will be in place next week." Obviously - but what are businesses around American doing now? They have no way to make plans, they have no idea what the future holds. This is 'anti business' and 'anti responsibility'. The responsible thing to do would be to craft a plan - and then put the gears in motion so that people know what is going to happen, and individuals and businesses have insight as to what will invariably affect everyone in America. The Republicans have full control of Congress and they can expedite the repeal at least parts of ACA fairly quickly - once that is done - there is no ACA. Boom, it's gone. Insurers will have to make fluctuating, ambiguous ongoing changes to their polices. With no alternative. It's laughably irresponsible. There should be a plan, not a scramble into the void.
      - Gargoyle 10y ago