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I have nothing to say for or against Republicans, Dems, Trump or any other political entity. BUT If they start pulling away Healthcare for millions of America

I have nothing to say for or against Republicans, Dems, Trump or any other political entity. BUT If they start pulling away Healthcare for millions of Americans ... and Americans start dying because of this - well, there will be a revolution of sorts. It's inhumane for the wealthiest country in the world to take away basic healthcare for it's most vulnerable citizens. If you are so 'smart' and so 'great' - then figure out a way to introduce efficiencies, pricing intelligence etc. to get people more and better coverage - instead of just smashing some law because it's not perfect and it was written by 'Obama'.

Gargoyle 10y ago
>If they start pulling away Healthcare for millions of Americans ... and Americans start dying because of this - well, there will be a revolution of sorts. Which should be a very strong indication that's not going to happen. Despite the endless propaganda, Republican lawmakers are neither stupid nor evil. People are not going to be left uncared for, that's just political fearmongering, and we don't have to fall for it.
- edblarney 10y ago
  They can definitely be stupid, and they can sometimes be borderline evil - making jail time for crack 80x greater than for cocaine because of the offender demographics, that's pretty evil (and stupid). 1) They are voting to repeal ACA in real time. 2) They have not offered even a hint of an alternative. This is not only going to be potentially damaging those who will lose their coverage - but it's also incredibly difficult for business: there is no roadmap. Insurers, and all other businesses small and large now are left in the dark with respect to their future. Introducing such ambiguity is definitely stupid, and it's 'anti businesses'. They have at least two years of unlimited power, they should debate solutions, narrow it down to an actionable plan, and then modify ACA in a well thought out process. As it stands, they're just rolling back laws and haven't discussed anything else, which I think is irresponsible. They don't need to be in such a panic.
  - Gargoyle 10y ago
    Neither of your points 1 or 2 are accurate, instead they reflect the political fearmongering I mentioned. People lament that our politics are so divided. Mis-stating the situations we're in and exaggerating for political gain are a root cause of that. Do not be part of the problem. Stop spreading the fear.
    - edblarney 10y ago
      This is false. 1) They are repealing ACA as we speak - the legislative process has been introduced. They are voting today. This is fact. 2) There is no alternative. Neither Republicans nor Trump have offered any plan. There are no white papers, working groups, coordinated policy plans, and certainly no legislation. This is also a fact. So what you're dismissing as 'fear mongering' is reality. I don't have a problem with a total re-factor of ACA - but it needs to be done responsibly, thoughtfully, with diligence and transparency. They're screwing it up on a day one: rolling back legislation that affects 100% of Americans and 100% of business - without a plan. It's totally irresponsible. They are doing it quickly (and recklessly) for political reasons, instead of an underlying impetus of 'good governance'. Which is too bad, because it's a complex issue and there's work to be done.
      - Gargoyle 10y ago
        You can keep restating the same things, but they still aren't accurate. The ACA is not being repealed today. This simply is not true. It's not what is happening. Saying that it is is in fact fearmongering. The ACA will still be in place tomorrow. It will be in place next week. It is not being repealed as we speak.
        dmode 10y ago
        Are you saying he is incorrect because the ACA is being repealed and delayed ? The Senate already voted on the budget bill and House is supposed to vote for full repeal. They may delay the repeal, but how is incorrect that they are voting for repeal ?

Gargoyle 10y ago

>If they start pulling away Healthcare for millions of Americans ... and Americans start dying because of this - well, there will be a revolution of sorts. Which should be a very strong indication that's not going to happen. Despite the endless propaganda, Republican lawmakers are neither stupid nor evil. People are not going to be left uncared for, that's just political fearmongering, and we don't have to fall for it.

edblarney 10y ago
They can definitely be stupid, and they can sometimes be borderline evil - making jail time for crack 80x greater than for cocaine because of the offender demographics, that's pretty evil (and stupid). 1) They are voting to repeal ACA in real time. 2) They have not offered even a hint of an alternative. This is not only going to be potentially damaging those who will lose their coverage - but it's also incredibly difficult for business: there is no roadmap. Insurers, and all other businesses small and large now are left in the dark with respect to their future. Introducing such ambiguity is definitely stupid, and it's 'anti businesses'. They have at least two years of unlimited power, they should debate solutions, narrow it down to an actionable plan, and then modify ACA in a well thought out process. As it stands, they're just rolling back laws and haven't discussed anything else, which I think is irresponsible. They don't need to be in such a panic.
- Gargoyle 10y ago
  Neither of your points 1 or 2 are accurate, instead they reflect the political fearmongering I mentioned. People lament that our politics are so divided. Mis-stating the situations we're in and exaggerating for political gain are a root cause of that. Do not be part of the problem. Stop spreading the fear.
  - edblarney 10y ago
    This is false. 1) They are repealing ACA as we speak - the legislative process has been introduced. They are voting today. This is fact. 2) There is no alternative. Neither Republicans nor Trump have offered any plan. There are no white papers, working groups, coordinated policy plans, and certainly no legislation. This is also a fact. So what you're dismissing as 'fear mongering' is reality. I don't have a problem with a total re-factor of ACA - but it needs to be done responsibly, thoughtfully, with diligence and transparency. They're screwing it up on a day one: rolling back legislation that affects 100% of Americans and 100% of business - without a plan. It's totally irresponsible. They are doing it quickly (and recklessly) for political reasons, instead of an underlying impetus of 'good governance'. Which is too bad, because it's a complex issue and there's work to be done.
    - Gargoyle 10y ago
      You can keep restating the same things, but they still aren't accurate. The ACA is not being repealed today. This simply is not true. It's not what is happening. Saying that it is is in fact fearmongering. The ACA will still be in place tomorrow. It will be in place next week. It is not being repealed as we speak.
      - dmode 10y ago
        Are you saying he is incorrect because the ACA is being repealed and delayed ? The Senate already voted on the budget bill and House is supposed to vote for full repeal. They may delay the repeal, but how is incorrect that they are voting for repeal ?