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Are you saying that if Obamacare did not exist you would be better off?
by vinhboy 10y ago
Are you saying that if Obamacare did not exist you would be better off?
- kobeya 10y agoYes, I wouldn't have gone down a road that was cut out from underneath me, and almost lost a marriage in the process.
- colemickens 10y agoOh come on, you've got to provide slightly more detail, because that just sounds absurdly hyperbolic and exaggerated.
- kobeya 10y agoNo, I don't have to vent my private life on the Internet.
- colemickens 10y agoYou just did, but in a vague enough way as to add nothing substantial to the conversation. Obviously, I don't think you're obligated to offer any details you don't want to. I guess I assumed you had a point and weren't just firing off scary sounding exaggerated anecdotes.
- sremani 10y agoHis point was what ever positive effects it had were temporary and those positive effects do not exist any more for most of the people.
- MrZongle2 10y agoI know I can say it. Married, two kids. Everybody reasonably healthy, have a decent job. Healthcare costs have become expensive as shit because of the ACA. That's not a partisan talking-point: that's the bottom line in our household budget. The happy-face anecdotes the ACA's advocates trot out are lovely, but there are far more people in my position.
- colemickens 10y agoHow could you possibly just assert there are far more people in your position? There are tens of millions of people who had no access to health care that now have it. And can you explain exactly how the ACA has made healthcare unaffordable for tens of millions, since you assert more are disaffected by it than helped?
- kobeya 10y agoAnd there are hundreds of millions of people who have seen their premiums and health care costs go up.
- ceejayoz 10y agoAs they did every year, pre- and post-ACA.
- kobeya 10y agoExcuse me, "go up by a larger factor year-over-year than had previously been the norm."
- kmicklas 10y agoThat's not even true.
- ceejayoz 10y agoBecause they started lower, apparently. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/19/skyrocketing-obamacare-premiums-still-lower-than-employer-sponsored-insurance/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/19/skyro... > A new analysis from the Urban Institute found that the average unsubsidized premiums in the Affordable Care Act exchanges, commonly known as Obamacare, are actually 10 percent lower than the full premiums in the average employer plan nationally in 2016.
- MrZongle2 10y ago