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This is why some Americans are so pissed. There's a feeling that others are cutting in front of the line without paying their dues to the country. H1B mills ar

This is why some Americans are so pissed. There's a feeling that others are cutting in front of the line without paying their dues to the country. H1B mills are gaming the system. What's the corruption rank in the countries where H1B candidates come from. That has a correlation to faked resumes and credentials.

adityar 10y ago
Have you considered the possibility that they are seeking to leave said corrupt nations for a better life?
- st3v3r 10y ago
  I'm sure they are. That doesn't really change things, though.
- randcraw 10y ago
  Interesting. Robitaile's comment presumes that US policy should favor Americans over immigrants, and your comment suggests it should serve immigrants over Americans. I'm curious. Are you aware of any country on the planet that follows your line of reasoning?
  - nathanvanfleet 10y ago
    I think you are presuming what he meant. Can you really declare a single individual moving from a "corrupt" country as being corrupt just because they are from that country? So his argument is that maybe they are seeking to leave it BECAUSE it's a corrupt country.
    - randcraw 10y ago
      Corruption is the norm in most of the world. Does that entail that US legislators should allocate limited resources like US jobs by favoring the needs of peoples who 'have worse living conditions' or 'have more unjust governments'? I can't see this as a plausible rally cry coming from many Americans, especially those who've traveled our backroads in the past 20 years and seen the decrepit state of small town USA. They want those jobs.
nathanvanfleet 10y ago
The way it's described it sounds like it is more like the American company which is dishonest. Not the individuals who they are hiring. The company is gaming the system to get cheaper labor.
- seanp2k2 10y ago
  Nailed it. That's the basic cycle I see: companies (people who run companies) do things which benefit them financially, citizens get upset at the inequality and demand change, politicians promise this change on the surface, then get into office and take actions which mainly benefit the wealthy + powerful. Repeat. Neither US political party is attempting to disrupt this system, it's just "spend money helping poorer people" or "spend money helping richer people". Red team does this through huge tax incentives for companies and individuals despite the growing national debt. There's no longer an actual conservative, small-government party in the US.
didibus 10y ago
Most people that are pissed in our modern age are so, because of a feeling. This really is starting to become an issue. If you don't know that there's really a problem, please stop being pissed. How many people I see having strong partisan like opinions on issues they know nothing about, aren't even affected by, and don't understand the full context of is just staggering.
- mancerayder 10y ago
  Most people that are pissed in our modern age are so, because of a feeling. This really is starting to become an issue While I'm not advocating or even agreeing with the comment you're replying to, your statement is as overbroad as it can be. In the case of this issue, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see companies (as in companies we've worked in as tech workers) use the H1B system and form an opinion on it. For many of us (and that includes those of us who are hiring managers and/or close to C-level execs) it's readily obvious enough that forming an opinion isn't 'just a feeling' whatever that means. Feelings are invalid now? And 'most' people?
  - didibus 10y ago
    Sure, if you have known information, please share it. And maybe that's enough info to be sure there's a problem that needs to be addressed, so ya, be pissed off about it. But I'm not seeing a lot of that. What have you seen at some of the companies you've worked at? Can you at least provide one clear case of abuse? From my end, I work for one of the big tech H1B whales. And the starting salary in the US for a junior position is already above 100k, so that change wouldn't affect my company. I also have never seen the H1B abused. I've interviewed candidates myself, and we pick the strongest we can find purely on skillset, never because a non citizen is willing to work for less. Is that the complaint? That US companies should hire US workers even if they're not as skilled, as long as they can still get the job done, even though they won't do it as well? Ok, in that case sure, I can see my company abusing H1B then. But I'm not sure we'd want to impose such strict a rule on our companies, seems like it would affect their ability to compete. That's also not the complaint I'm hearing. I'm hearing people are pissed off that we pick equal or worse qualified non citizens simply because they're willing to do it for less.

adityar 10y ago

Have you considered the possibility that they are seeking to leave said corrupt nations for a better life?

st3v3r 10y ago
I'm sure they are. That doesn't really change things, though.
randcraw 10y ago
Interesting. Robitaile's comment presumes that US policy should favor Americans over immigrants, and your comment suggests it should serve immigrants over Americans. I'm curious. Are you aware of any country on the planet that follows your line of reasoning?
- nathanvanfleet 10y ago
  I think you are presuming what he meant. Can you really declare a single individual moving from a "corrupt" country as being corrupt just because they are from that country? So his argument is that maybe they are seeking to leave it BECAUSE it's a corrupt country.
  - randcraw 10y ago
    Corruption is the norm in most of the world. Does that entail that US legislators should allocate limited resources like US jobs by favoring the needs of peoples who 'have worse living conditions' or 'have more unjust governments'? I can't see this as a plausible rally cry coming from many Americans, especially those who've traveled our backroads in the past 20 years and seen the decrepit state of small town USA. They want those jobs.

nathanvanfleet 10y ago

The way it's described it sounds like it is more like the American company which is dishonest. Not the individuals who they are hiring. The company is gaming the system to get cheaper labor.

seanp2k2 10y ago
Nailed it. That's the basic cycle I see: companies (people who run companies) do things which benefit them financially, citizens get upset at the inequality and demand change, politicians promise this change on the surface, then get into office and take actions which mainly benefit the wealthy + powerful. Repeat. Neither US political party is attempting to disrupt this system, it's just "spend money helping poorer people" or "spend money helping richer people". Red team does this through huge tax incentives for companies and individuals despite the growing national debt. There's no longer an actual conservative, small-government party in the US.

didibus 10y ago

Most people that are pissed in our modern age are so, because of a feeling. This really is starting to become an issue. If you don't know that there's really a problem, please stop being pissed. How many people I see having strong partisan like opinions on issues they know nothing about, aren't even affected by, and don't understand the full context of is just staggering.

mancerayder 10y ago
Most people that are pissed in our modern age are so, because of a feeling. This really is starting to become an issue While I'm not advocating or even agreeing with the comment you're replying to, your statement is as overbroad as it can be. In the case of this issue, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see companies (as in companies we've worked in as tech workers) use the H1B system and form an opinion on it. For many of us (and that includes those of us who are hiring managers and/or close to C-level execs) it's readily obvious enough that forming an opinion isn't 'just a feeling' whatever that means. Feelings are invalid now? And 'most' people?
- didibus 10y ago
  Sure, if you have known information, please share it. And maybe that's enough info to be sure there's a problem that needs to be addressed, so ya, be pissed off about it. But I'm not seeing a lot of that. What have you seen at some of the companies you've worked at? Can you at least provide one clear case of abuse? From my end, I work for one of the big tech H1B whales. And the starting salary in the US for a junior position is already above 100k, so that change wouldn't affect my company. I also have never seen the H1B abused. I've interviewed candidates myself, and we pick the strongest we can find purely on skillset, never because a non citizen is willing to work for less. Is that the complaint? That US companies should hire US workers even if they're not as skilled, as long as they can still get the job done, even though they won't do it as well? Ok, in that case sure, I can see my company abusing H1B then. But I'm not sure we'd want to impose such strict a rule on our companies, seems like it would affect their ability to compete. That's also not the complaint I'm hearing. I'm hearing people are pissed off that we pick equal or worse qualified non citizens simply because they're willing to do it for less.