3 ms·

Am I only the one who finds "new" (well, it was there for about an year, I believe) "Site Identity and Permissions Panel" panel to be literally useless for the

Am I only the one who finds "new" (well, it was there for about an year, I believe) "Site Identity and Permissions Panel" panel to be literally useless for the "site identity" part? It has no information on CA, whenever it's first time you saw this exact certificate or not, whenever a "weak" or "strong" ciphers are used (and if PFS is enabled), etc - things one'd really want to see if they care about their connection encryption and authentication. It's all still available, but hidden after long sequence of button clicks. Heck, it would be useful to have client certificate and HTTP auth status there as well - it would actually make those nice things closer to being usable. I really fail to understand why it can't be displayed in a sanely concise manner - and why things that were there before were removed. Surely there's a plenty of screen space and it's not like it would scare Joe Sixpack off to Chrome, or confuse anyone. Or analytics show it otherwise?

leeoniya 10y ago
i'm also not a fan of all the ui reduction and "simplification" just for the sake of a refresh. needless to say the only reason i'm still able to use firefox is Classic Theme Restorer. Once that is unable to run, i'll be off to Opera or Ungoogled Chromium or maybe Servo (hopefully we get a few years for "power" users before that gets gutted too)
past 10y ago
There have been a number of user studies done by Mozilla and other browser vendors that clearly show end users only have a basic grasp of the security properties of the web. So yes, more details in main UI elements leads to confusion. It's just 2 clicks for those of us who know what a certificate is (Ctrl/Cmd-I is even faster).
- drdaeman 10y ago
  > It's just 2 clicks Three, actually. One on the i+lock icon pair, one on the right-pointing arrow, then one on "more info". If I'd need more details (like issue and expiry dates, which is pretty common thing to be interested in), then it's 1 more button "view certificate". And if I'd happen to be interested in certificate public key properties (algorithm and key size) it's a really long story, 6 clicks away from the address bar. It certainly makes sense to not show something right away, on the first click. But the current UI hides quite essential information (to those who can understand it) way too deep. I'm really not persuaded it would hurt usability and confuse users if such information would be 2 clicks away, rather than 4-6. (And, really, it mustn't hurt to show at least "have I visited this page prior to today? yep, 234 times" on the very first click. And probably won't confuse anyone much to also see something like "TLS1.2, modern ciphers" or "TLS1.0, legacy ciphers".) > Ctrl/Cmd-I Toggles bookmarks sidebar for me. I'm unaware of any shortcut to open page info.

leeoniya 10y ago

i'm also not a fan of all the ui reduction and "simplification" just for the sake of a refresh. needless to say the only reason i'm still able to use firefox is Classic Theme Restorer. Once that is unable to run, i'll be off to Opera or Ungoogled Chromium or maybe Servo (hopefully we get a few years for "power" users before that gets gutted too)

past 10y ago

There have been a number of user studies done by Mozilla and other browser vendors that clearly show end users only have a basic grasp of the security properties of the web. So yes, more details in main UI elements leads to confusion. It's just 2 clicks for those of us who know what a certificate is (Ctrl/Cmd-I is even faster).

drdaeman 10y ago
> It's just 2 clicks Three, actually. One on the i+lock icon pair, one on the right-pointing arrow, then one on "more info". If I'd need more details (like issue and expiry dates, which is pretty common thing to be interested in), then it's 1 more button "view certificate". And if I'd happen to be interested in certificate public key properties (algorithm and key size) it's a really long story, 6 clicks away from the address bar. It certainly makes sense to not show something right away, on the first click. But the current UI hides quite essential information (to those who can understand it) way too deep. I'm really not persuaded it would hurt usability and confuse users if such information would be 2 clicks away, rather than 4-6. (And, really, it mustn't hurt to show at least "have I visited this page prior to today? yep, 234 times" on the very first click. And probably won't confuse anyone much to also see something like "TLS1.2, modern ciphers" or "TLS1.0, legacy ciphers".) > Ctrl/Cmd-I Toggles bookmarks sidebar for me. I'm unaware of any shortcut to open page info.