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I've felt like that for a long time, and I think Obama is partially to blame for Trump getting elected. When he made the compromise he did with Hilary during h
by braveo 10y ago
I've felt like that for a long time, and I think Obama is partially to blame for Trump getting elected.
When he made the compromise he did with Hilary during his first election I knew then he was going to be a political creature (and I was behind him).
I don't think Obama will be noteworthy in history outside of being the first black president. Obamacare will not be noteworthy either unless it transforms into something more meaningful.
If you think about it, the praise he gets so often is that he's a "classy guy", that should say something. 8 years in office and him being classy is the thing people think of most when considering him?
- webXL 10y agoClassy guy? Anyone is compared to the pres-elect. In his personal life perhaps. Every time he weighed in during an isolated racial incident before the public had all the information really did a disservice to the office. So much so that the current guy thinks it's fine to tweet about every little political gripe. Both have no problem being arrogant and divisive, so long as the base is happy. There's absolutely nothing classy about this cult of personality we're witnessing.
- GVIrish 10y agoYou honestly think that Obama's presidency is what made Trump think it's okay to tweet outrageous stuff and overreact to every perceived slight?
- webXL 10y agoTo some extent, yes. The base thinks it's fine, and the GP thinks Trump's win was a reaction to Obama. The media loves the tweeting, just like any time they could get Obama to weigh in on the latest racial controversy. So I guess to be fair, the reduction in presidential class is a real team effort!
- csallen 10y agoTrump's tweets/statements are an order of magnitude more extreme and more frequent than anything we've ever seen. He's also a grown man who's responsible for his own actions, so blaming the media and blaming Obama seems quite partisan. Nobody is making him do anything.
- webXL 10y agoNobody is making the media publish every tweet either. It's a symbiotic relationship. > He's also a grown man who's responsible for his own actions, so blaming... There's blame to go around. The electorate is ultimately responsible for putting this tweeting extremist in the White House, and if you compare Obama's statements and actions compared to past presidents, then you could say that the "class bar" was lowered enough to where Trump was electable.
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- alphonsegaston 10y agoThis pattern of behavior on Trump's behalf far precedes anything by Obama. He was publicly advocating for the (innocent)Central Park 5 to be executed in 1989, before Obama held any elected office. Let's not surrender ourselves so far to ideological thinking that every partisan is the precursor of their opposition's faults.
- randcraw 10y agoObama must be compared to other presidents as well as to the popular notion of what a black man would/should be like as President. It's pointless to compare Obama to Trump because Trump is not yet a President. That job changes you, and if there is a god, it will change Trump too.
- autobahnaccrs 10y agoCan't be too classy when you're complicit in torture by refusing to enforce it's prosecution, be on watch while your military commits war crimes or hell, be at war every day of your 8 year watch. Real classy for a warmongering mass murderer. Oh and kill lists, super classy stuff. People who call Obama classy are clueless.
- boredprogrammer 10y agoThere is no god.
- uejnnijdy 10y agoCan't be too classy when you're complicit in torture by refusing to enforce it's prosecution, be on watch while your military commits war crimes or hell, be at war every day of your 8 year watch. Real classy for a warmongering mass murderer. Oh and kill lists, super classy stuff. People who call Obama classy are clueless.
- divineihr 10y agoCan't be too classy when you're complicit in torture by refusing to enforce it's prosecution, be on watch while your military commits war crimes or hell, be at war every day of your 8 year watch. Real classy for a warmongering mass murderer. Oh and kill lists, super classy stuff. People who call Obama classy are clueless.
- chaostheory 10y agoTo be fair, the blame lies with our 2 party establishment system and the machines behind them. If you take closer looks at recent presidents: Clinton's admin was an overall continuation of GH Bush's administration policies. Obama's admin was a continuation of the Cheney's administration policies. I'm not sure it would really matter which establishment candidate was in office, since the end result is pretty much the same and only the rhetoric would be different. i.e. "impeachment is off the table" or "we're continuing to socialize Wall St's losses and privatize their gains even though over 90% of constituents of both parties are against it" We haven't had a someone from outside since Carter or even Reagan. Regardless of how you feel about Trump (personally I don't like him) he was the first real alternative choice in decades.
- koheripbal 10y agoHe's a complete random element. I literally have no idea what he's going to do. ...maybe that's a good thing? Everything that was "reliable" in the past let us down.
- braveo 10y agoI was ok with Trump winning and the random element is why. I wasn't really behind Trump, but I wasn't behind Hillary either. I just think atleast Trump has a chance to do something different, Hillary wouldn't have.
- 464192002d7fe1c 10y agoI was entirely behind trump because of the random element. I don't see him as old-school republican, and he's obviously not a democrat either. He's clearly his own man and I think the next 8 years are gonna be amazing.
- mememachine 10y agoIts really cool to see people say this hear without the immense backlash im used to bassically everywhere else on the internet. Its not what i expected at all.
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 10y agoGive me a break. Obama saved the economy, saved the American car industry, and provided health care to 20 million people that didn't have it before. All while facing unbelievable obstruction from the GOP that never wanted to acknowledge he was actually President.
- dexterdog 10y agoI can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
- brewdad 10y agoDo you thinks he's wrong?
- eeeeeeeeeeeee 10y agoSo you mock my comment instead of actually trying to respond to what I said?
- e40 10y agoThose things are obviously true, why would it be sarcasm?
- dexterdog 10y agoNot a single one of those things is true unless you mean it is true that they are his opinions.
- markman 10y agoI like Obama OK but saved the American car industry? He handed GM a check. Those funds didn't come out of his account. GM should have filed for bankruptcy, trimmed the fat and hunkered down in a leaner version of its former self. It was definitely a tough decision to be faced with right out of the blocks. I respect his ability to make the tough calls but will taxpayers ever get their money back? Was anything done to see that they don't repeat down the road? Or did he basically slap them on the back and say carry on fellas.?
- e40 10y agoI've felt like that for a long time, and I think Obama is partially to blame for Trump getting elected. This has nothing to do with why Trump was elected. The rich and powerful have been marginalizing the middle class for a long time, through reduced taxes on the wealthy and austerity measures, both here in the US and in Europe. This widening gulf between the rich and the rest of us has pissed off the middle class and they voted for Trump out of anger at the establishment that got us here. The masses have made their voices heard on not giving a crap about surveillance. It is never high on any poll or any article I've read about the rise of Trump.
- odbol_ 10y agoBut Trump is also rich and powerful, so how does that make sense? He's no different, relatively.
- DefaultUserHN 10y agoThe difference is Trump reach out to the middle class and the lower class, while the other rich politicians don't give a shit. Down-vote me all you want, but this is why Trump won. The sooner people accept that, the sooner we can move forward as a nation and rebuild this whole nation for every Americans.
- jdelphiki99 10y agoOr stop relying on politicians to change and start changing the system yourself. The organization I support is represent.us.