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You should have a look at Sway. It's a Wayland i3-alike with a few extra features. It even plays nicely with X11 only applications via X-Wayland. http://swaywm

by stutonk 10y ago

You should have a look at Sway. It's a Wayland i3-alike with a few extra features. It even plays nicely with X11 only applications via X-Wayland. http://swaywm.org/ http://swaywm.org/

josteink 10y ago
Last time I tried it, I found it somewhat lacking in the copy/paste department. Iirc copying between Wayland and X11/xwayland apps didn't work. Any news on improvements in that area?
- Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
  There's a bounty for that feature: https://github.com/SirCmpwn/sway/issues/986 https://github.com/SirCmpwn/sway/issues/986 Why don't you work on it?
  - hashkb 10y ago
    Is that a real suggestion or meant to be ironic?
    - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
      A real suggestion. Why would it be ironic? It's open source and easy to contribute to.
      - josteink 10y ago
        With all due respect: I don't have time. I just asked because this was an issue last time I tried sway, and I was curious about improvements since then. It was not meant to razz on your wm :) As a maintainer and contributor to several projects I already use (and thus see the return on) I already see myself too short on resources to follow up everything I'd like to. Trying to fix shortcomings in projects which (for me) are not yet production ready just doesn't make it onto my TODO list. I hope someone does help you fix this though. Really. No harm meant. Hope it didn't come off that way.
        Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        I didn't take any offense. I'm just suggesting you try implementing the feature. It isn't going to be done on your schedule unless you do it.
        hackmiester 10y ago
        I like the feeling behind this sentiment, but I figure that poster just wants a computer where they can copy and paste. So: if there isn't a WM for Wayland that allows their workflow, then they will stick with X.
        Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        That's fine, sticking with X is a totally acceptable option. If they _want_ to move to Wayland, though, and it's missing something they need, then of course they should help work on that thing.
        josteink 10y ago
        Honest (naive?) question: Given that these issues has persisted for so long and that they seem solved in Gnome and KDE... Not accusing you of full NIH, but are there any technical reasons for not just reusing/leveraging kwin or whatever Gnome uses, instead of creating your own compositor library where all these issues has to be solved, yet again?
        Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        kwin and Gnome's solutions aren't reusable on other compositors. Gnome is awful at making their stuff reusable. KDE is much better, but their clipboard stuff isn't reusable, and Sway's likely won't be either due to the nature of the problem. There are plans to collaborate more with KDE on reusing KDE components in Sway and other compositors, which both parties are excited about.
- mathw 10y ago
  I've been using Wayland on Fedora 25 GNOME sessions for a few weeks now. I've not noticed any hiccups on copy/paste and I've definitely been doing it across Wayland-native and XWayland applications. But maybe GNOME's compositor is handling that.
  - josteink 10y ago
    Yeah. That's gnome's compositor. Sway uses another one, which was why I asked.
sevensor 10y ago
Sway works great as long as you have a system that can handle Wayland. I've been having terrible luck with NVidia hardware lately -- proprietary drivers are known not to support Wayland, and Wayland / Nouveau has been unstable with the hardware I use. But AMD and Intel systems are rock solid, and I've switched over to sway there.

by stutonk 10y ago

You should have a look at Sway. It's a Wayland i3-alike with a few extra features. It even plays nicely with X11 only applications via X-Wayland. http://swaywm.org/ http://swaywm.org/

josteink 10y ago

Last time I tried it, I found it somewhat lacking in the copy/paste department. Iirc copying between Wayland and X11/xwayland apps didn't work. Any news on improvements in that area?

Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
There's a bounty for that feature: https://github.com/SirCmpwn/sway/issues/986 https://github.com/SirCmpwn/sway/issues/986 Why don't you work on it?
- hashkb 10y ago
  Is that a real suggestion or meant to be ironic?
  - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
    A real suggestion. Why would it be ironic? It's open source and easy to contribute to.
    - josteink 10y ago
      With all due respect: I don't have time. I just asked because this was an issue last time I tried sway, and I was curious about improvements since then. It was not meant to razz on your wm :) As a maintainer and contributor to several projects I already use (and thus see the return on) I already see myself too short on resources to follow up everything I'd like to. Trying to fix shortcomings in projects which (for me) are not yet production ready just doesn't make it onto my TODO list. I hope someone does help you fix this though. Really. No harm meant. Hope it didn't come off that way.
      - Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        I didn't take any offense. I'm just suggesting you try implementing the feature. It isn't going to be done on your schedule unless you do it.
        hackmiester 10y ago
        I like the feeling behind this sentiment, but I figure that poster just wants a computer where they can copy and paste. So: if there isn't a WM for Wayland that allows their workflow, then they will stick with X.
        Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        That's fine, sticking with X is a totally acceptable option. If they _want_ to move to Wayland, though, and it's missing something they need, then of course they should help work on that thing.
        josteink 10y ago
        Honest (naive?) question: Given that these issues has persisted for so long and that they seem solved in Gnome and KDE... Not accusing you of full NIH, but are there any technical reasons for not just reusing/leveraging kwin or whatever Gnome uses, instead of creating your own compositor library where all these issues has to be solved, yet again?
        Sir_Cmpwn 10y ago
        kwin and Gnome's solutions aren't reusable on other compositors. Gnome is awful at making their stuff reusable. KDE is much better, but their clipboard stuff isn't reusable, and Sway's likely won't be either due to the nature of the problem. There are plans to collaborate more with KDE on reusing KDE components in Sway and other compositors, which both parties are excited about.
mathw 10y ago
I've been using Wayland on Fedora 25 GNOME sessions for a few weeks now. I've not noticed any hiccups on copy/paste and I've definitely been doing it across Wayland-native and XWayland applications. But maybe GNOME's compositor is handling that.
- josteink 10y ago
  Yeah. That's gnome's compositor. Sway uses another one, which was why I asked.

sevensor 10y ago

Sway works great as long as you have a system that can handle Wayland. I've been having terrible luck with NVidia hardware lately -- proprietary drivers are known not to support Wayland, and Wayland / Nouveau has been unstable with the hardware I use. But AMD and Intel systems are rock solid, and I've switched over to sway there.