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An option: Stop immigration from places that are prone to terrorist attacks happening and then you won't have to give up nearly as much privacy in the name of f

An option: Stop immigration from places that are prone to terrorist attacks happening and then you won't have to give up nearly as much privacy in the name of fighting terror at home.

pjc50 10y ago
The 9/11 hijackers were mostly on tourist visas from a place with almost no history of terror attacks: http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity-and-immigration-status-of-9-11-terrorists http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity-and-immigration-status-... And of course most deaths from terrorism in the US are from "mass shooters", who tend to be self-radicalised US nationals with fringe political beliefs.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > The 9/11 hijackers were mostly on tourist visas from a place with almost no history of terror attacks: Your source (correctly) says they were mostly from Saudi Arabia, which has a rather extensive history over several decades of terrorist attacks (both attacks in Saudi Arabia, and attackers outside of Saudi Arabia by Saudi nationals and/or with Saudi sponsors.) There is no sense in which Saudi Arabia is (or could be fairly described in 2001 as) "a place with almost no history of terror attacks."
  - BeetleB 10y ago
    Prior to 2001, it had a very low history. Two bombings in the country in the 90's. UAE had no history.
  - skylan_q 10y ago
    Your source (correctly) says they were mostly from Saudi Arabia, which has a rather extensive history over several decades of terrorist attacks That's a detail that doesn't matter. What matters is that we open the doors to men who have high risk of radicalization and ties to rich Saudis, bigot.
smileysteve 10y ago
> you won't have to give up nearly as much privacy in the name of fighting terror at home Needs citation. - FBI screening has been ineffective (Boston, Orlando) - FBI self reporting has been ineffective (Ft. Lauderdale) - Expired Visas (under GWB) has been ineffective (9/11) - Facebook and Apple Prism programs have been ineffective (San Bernardino) - TSA fails internal tests. (Richard Reid) - Russian intelligence agencies reporting to U.S. intelligence agencies has been ineffective. (Boston) - Enhanced Background and Psychological tests ineffective (Orlando, Charleston) - Intelligence Briefings have been ineffective (9/11, Richard Reid)
- skylan_q 10y ago
  You're right. You've changed my mind. They need to get rid of all counter-terrorism operations and ignore the problem because all attempts to stop any attacks have been without effect.
jimnotgym 10y ago
The London Underground bombers came from Leeds...they were not immigrants at all!
- skylan_q 10y ago
  What's your point? That not all terrorists are from abroad? We know that. Why is it necessary to bring in people who have high risks of radicalizing? Homegrown terror isn't a reason to stop trying altogether.

An option: Stop immigration from places that are prone to terrorist attacks happening and then you won't have to give up nearly as much privacy in the name of fighting terror at home.

pjc50 10y ago

The 9/11 hijackers were mostly on tourist visas from a place with almost no history of terror attacks: http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity-and-immigration-status-of-9-11-terrorists http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity-and-immigration-status-... And of course most deaths from terrorism in the US are from "mass shooters", who tend to be self-radicalised US nationals with fringe political beliefs.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> The 9/11 hijackers were mostly on tourist visas from a place with almost no history of terror attacks: Your source (correctly) says they were mostly from Saudi Arabia, which has a rather extensive history over several decades of terrorist attacks (both attacks in Saudi Arabia, and attackers outside of Saudi Arabia by Saudi nationals and/or with Saudi sponsors.) There is no sense in which Saudi Arabia is (or could be fairly described in 2001 as) "a place with almost no history of terror attacks."
- BeetleB 10y ago
  Prior to 2001, it had a very low history. Two bombings in the country in the 90's. UAE had no history.
- skylan_q 10y ago
  Your source (correctly) says they were mostly from Saudi Arabia, which has a rather extensive history over several decades of terrorist attacks That's a detail that doesn't matter. What matters is that we open the doors to men who have high risk of radicalization and ties to rich Saudis, bigot.

smileysteve 10y ago

> you won't have to give up nearly as much privacy in the name of fighting terror at home Needs citation. - FBI screening has been ineffective (Boston, Orlando) - FBI self reporting has been ineffective (Ft. Lauderdale) - Expired Visas (under GWB) has been ineffective (9/11) - Facebook and Apple Prism programs have been ineffective (San Bernardino) - TSA fails internal tests. (Richard Reid) - Russian intelligence agencies reporting to U.S. intelligence agencies has been ineffective. (Boston) - Enhanced Background and Psychological tests ineffective (Orlando, Charleston) - Intelligence Briefings have been ineffective (9/11, Richard Reid)

skylan_q 10y ago
You're right. You've changed my mind. They need to get rid of all counter-terrorism operations and ignore the problem because all attempts to stop any attacks have been without effect.

jimnotgym 10y ago

The London Underground bombers came from Leeds...they were not immigrants at all!

skylan_q 10y ago
What's your point? That not all terrorists are from abroad? We know that. Why is it necessary to bring in people who have high risks of radicalizing? Homegrown terror isn't a reason to stop trying altogether.