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FTA: He always felt constrained at Apple in terms of what he could discuss publicly — resorting to off-the-record chats, surprise presentations, and the like,"

FTA: He always felt constrained at Apple in terms of what he could discuss publicly — resorting to off-the-record chats, surprise presentations, and the like," the person told us. "Similarly, I know he was constrained in recruiting and other areas. Eventually I know that can really wear people down." Running an open source project with lot of contributors requires open communication. Recruiting constraints is self explanatory.

scarface74 10y ago
That's true for every company. I work at a private mid sized unknown company as the developer lead. I can't go out an publicly speak about what's going on at the company or their roadmap even to employees at other locations or sometimes to my own team. Even though I'm not officially management, I'm privy to information for planning purposes that the company may not want to get out Do you think that Tesla is going to allow him to open source the self driving car software he will be working on? Even though he's not working at Apple, do you think the head of the Swift project is going to refuse to take a pull request from him?
- blinkingled 10y ago
  Well not every company. But I think you are oversimplifying it. Culture of secrecy in Apple's case most certainly means you can't do anything public at all without going through a bunch of legalese, approval chains and various other roadblocks. Apple for example did not allow AI researchers employed by them to publish papers - they hardly got any researcher interested and they have allowed publishing of one paper so far. Tesla on the other hand seems to be at least making noises about Open Source spirit. It looks like Musk doesn't care about keeping things secret as much as Apple does - https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you. It is quite conceivable that Elon Musk will allow Chris more openness to contribute to LLVM/Swift and whatever Self Driving car stuff he is working on. I mean what has Tesla got to lose if LLVM is improved or even if Tesla's self driving software is open sourced (not the data mind you!) and many others adapt it and improve it?
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scarface74 10y ago

That's true for every company. I work at a private mid sized unknown company as the developer lead. I can't go out an publicly speak about what's going on at the company or their roadmap even to employees at other locations or sometimes to my own team. Even though I'm not officially management, I'm privy to information for planning purposes that the company may not want to get out Do you think that Tesla is going to allow him to open source the self driving car software he will be working on? Even though he's not working at Apple, do you think the head of the Swift project is going to refuse to take a pull request from him?

blinkingled 10y ago
Well not every company. But I think you are oversimplifying it. Culture of secrecy in Apple's case most certainly means you can't do anything public at all without going through a bunch of legalese, approval chains and various other roadblocks. Apple for example did not allow AI researchers employed by them to publish papers - they hardly got any researcher interested and they have allowed publishing of one paper so far. Tesla on the other hand seems to be at least making noises about Open Source spirit. It looks like Musk doesn't care about keeping things secret as much as Apple does - https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you. It is quite conceivable that Elon Musk will allow Chris more openness to contribute to LLVM/Swift and whatever Self Driving car stuff he is working on. I mean what has Tesla got to lose if LLVM is improved or even if Tesla's self driving software is open sourced (not the data mind you!) and many others adapt it and improve it?

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