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I would also guess that it might not be good business to publish experimental features from a standard that doesn't exist yet. I think Microsoft is already impl

by naavis 10y ago

I would also guess that it might not be good business to publish experimental features from a standard that doesn't exist yet. I think Microsoft is already implementing these features, they are just not out yet.

jahnu 10y ago
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/11/16/permissive-switch/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/11/16/permissiv... > The Visual C++ Team is excited to announce that the compiler in Visual Studio 2017 RC will feature a mode much closer to ISO C++ standards conformance than any time in its history. This represents a major milestone in our journey to full ISO C++ conformance. The mode is available now as an opt-in via the /permissive- switch but will one day become the default mode for the Visual C++ compiler. I'm really excited about having MS right up at the front of the pack with GCC and Clang.
- HelloNurse 10y ago
  "much closer"? I look forward to their new compiler bugs.
  - jahnu 10y ago
    Really? They make progress and all you we any to do is trash talk their efforts?
    - HelloNurse 10y ago
      The strange vagueness in stating they are "close" means the Microsoft C++ compiler team know they still miss shamefully important pieces, with the necessary consequence that optimistic users expecting C++17 will be bitten by unexpected significant compiler bugs. They should be more open. I respect the progress Microsoft is making, both in the long term (since the dark ages in which they didn't care about standards) and in the short term (a genuine C++17 implementation effort), but their progress is still slower than the competition.
      - pjmlp 10y ago
        Not when we take into consideration the C++ commercial vendors as part of the competition pool.
alfalfasprout 10y ago
Intel also usually releases a beta every year with all the new features bunched together. They don't tend to push features out in frequent incremental updates instead opting for yearly releases with bugfixes in point releases in between. I love the work being done by the clang and gcc teams, but I still stick with Intel's C++ compiler for many things due to its far better support for automatic vectorization among other things.

by naavis 10y ago

jahnu 10y ago

https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/11/16/permissive-switch/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog/2016/11/16/permissiv... > The Visual C++ Team is excited to announce that the compiler in Visual Studio 2017 RC will feature a mode much closer to ISO C++ standards conformance than any time in its history. This represents a major milestone in our journey to full ISO C++ conformance. The mode is available now as an opt-in via the /permissive- switch but will one day become the default mode for the Visual C++ compiler. I'm really excited about having MS right up at the front of the pack with GCC and Clang.

HelloNurse 10y ago
"much closer"? I look forward to their new compiler bugs.
- jahnu 10y ago
  Really? They make progress and all you we any to do is trash talk their efforts?
  - HelloNurse 10y ago
    The strange vagueness in stating they are "close" means the Microsoft C++ compiler team know they still miss shamefully important pieces, with the necessary consequence that optimistic users expecting C++17 will be bitten by unexpected significant compiler bugs. They should be more open. I respect the progress Microsoft is making, both in the long term (since the dark ages in which they didn't care about standards) and in the short term (a genuine C++17 implementation effort), but their progress is still slower than the competition.
    - pjmlp 10y ago
      Not when we take into consideration the C++ commercial vendors as part of the competition pool.

alfalfasprout 10y ago

Intel also usually releases a beta every year with all the new features bunched together. They don't tend to push features out in frequent incremental updates instead opting for yearly releases with bugfixes in point releases in between. I love the work being done by the clang and gcc teams, but I still stick with Intel's C++ compiler for many things due to its far better support for automatic vectorization among other things.