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Are you kidding? Because that's not remotely equality at all. In fact, this comment itself seems rather sexist, since you're advocating that women are only equa

by eridius 10y ago

Are you kidding? Because that's not remotely equality at all. In fact, this comment itself seems rather sexist, since you're advocating that women are only equal to men if they're treated like men.

flukus 10y ago
That's what equality is, treating people equally. Are you advocating that women be treated differently? That would be sexist.
- eridius 10y ago
  Advocating for the idea that woman should be happy they're being treated like men is not equality. It's blatant inequality, and you're coming just short of explicitly saying that women are inferior to men.
  - flukus 10y ago
    So you think women should be treated differently to men? That is sexual discrimination. I'm not sure you're grasping the equality concept. Treating people the same is equality. Treating different genders differently is sexism. Someone here is clearly sexist, but it's not me. Edit - instant down votes, the sjw debate philosophy.
    - Thiez 10y ago
      Do you also greet your mother with "Hey dad", or do you refer to her by a different word because of her gender?
      - flukus 10y ago
        Of course I don't. But Mum's job was to stay at home, look after the kids and have dinner on the table at 6pm. That was a very gendered households, not uncommon at the time. Are you saying that this gendered language should continue?
        Manishearth 10y ago
        No. But using the wrong gendered language for someone is still bad. In fact, this is why in general lots of folks advocate for the usage of singular "they" when speaking of people with unknown gender. This is the problem with "hey guys" in the first place; there are gender neutral ways of addressing groups of people. Yet you are choosing the non gender neutral way of doing it. You haven't been arguing against gendered language here, you're arguing for using gendered language -- just gendered language for the same gender -- for everyone, when gender-neutral language has existed for centuries. ----- Equality is about treating men and women the same. Having women feel like a fish out of the water by having their identity rejected is not the same. Having women feel like their identity is being rejected is not the same. Equality does not mean rejecting individuality. Equality is not assuming that everyone is Bob and has the same personality, emotions, and gender as Bob. That's unfair to people who aren't Bob. Equality is treating them the same, or more specifically not treating someone worse because of an aspect of their existence that they have little control over. You can and should still respect their identity.
  - belorn 10y ago
    If male and female identity would be identical, then neither would be male and female identity. It would be human identity, for which both women and men should equally be happy with. If we treat women as men, we are also treating men as women. A major part of the equality feminism (the dominated faction within feminism until the start of the 21th century) had this as their primary concept. People gave kids either gender neutral colors, or switched them randomly and had both girls and boys wearing pink and blue clothes. However, this practice and theory of feminism was dethroned by difference feminism that believes that people are different, should be treated as different, but end up with equal results. This was then incorporated as part of the modern feminism practice, for which postmodern feminism (current minority faction) is rejecting which also happens to lean towards equality feminism style of practice.

by eridius 10y ago

Are you kidding? Because that's not remotely equality at all. In fact, this comment itself seems rather sexist, since you're advocating that women are only equal to men if they're treated like men.

flukus 10y ago

That's what equality is, treating people equally. Are you advocating that women be treated differently? That would be sexist.

eridius 10y ago
Advocating for the idea that woman should be happy they're being treated like men is not equality. It's blatant inequality, and you're coming just short of explicitly saying that women are inferior to men.
- flukus 10y ago
  So you think women should be treated differently to men? That is sexual discrimination. I'm not sure you're grasping the equality concept. Treating people the same is equality. Treating different genders differently is sexism. Someone here is clearly sexist, but it's not me. Edit - instant down votes, the sjw debate philosophy.
  - Thiez 10y ago
    Do you also greet your mother with "Hey dad", or do you refer to her by a different word because of her gender?
    - flukus 10y ago
      Of course I don't. But Mum's job was to stay at home, look after the kids and have dinner on the table at 6pm. That was a very gendered households, not uncommon at the time. Are you saying that this gendered language should continue?
      - Manishearth 10y ago
        No. But using the wrong gendered language for someone is still bad. In fact, this is why in general lots of folks advocate for the usage of singular "they" when speaking of people with unknown gender. This is the problem with "hey guys" in the first place; there are gender neutral ways of addressing groups of people. Yet you are choosing the non gender neutral way of doing it. You haven't been arguing against gendered language here, you're arguing for using gendered language -- just gendered language for the same gender -- for everyone, when gender-neutral language has existed for centuries. ----- Equality is about treating men and women the same. Having women feel like a fish out of the water by having their identity rejected is not the same. Having women feel like their identity is being rejected is not the same. Equality does not mean rejecting individuality. Equality is not assuming that everyone is Bob and has the same personality, emotions, and gender as Bob. That's unfair to people who aren't Bob. Equality is treating them the same, or more specifically not treating someone worse because of an aspect of their existence that they have little control over. You can and should still respect their identity.
- belorn 10y ago
  If male and female identity would be identical, then neither would be male and female identity. It would be human identity, for which both women and men should equally be happy with. If we treat women as men, we are also treating men as women. A major part of the equality feminism (the dominated faction within feminism until the start of the 21th century) had this as their primary concept. People gave kids either gender neutral colors, or switched them randomly and had both girls and boys wearing pink and blue clothes. However, this practice and theory of feminism was dethroned by difference feminism that believes that people are different, should be treated as different, but end up with equal results. This was then incorporated as part of the modern feminism practice, for which postmodern feminism (current minority faction) is rejecting which also happens to lean towards equality feminism style of practice.