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We don't ban people for saying "hey guys", we politely tell them that not everyone is a guy and that's pretty much it. I can name plenty of women that I know t

We don't ban people for saying "hey guys", we politely tell them that not everyone is a guy and that's pretty much it. I can name plenty of women that I know that are put off from participating in such communities because everyone just assumes that they are male. Individual occurrences are nbd, but in aggregate it gets really annoying. It's a good thing to teach the community to avoid such behavior. The Rust community is one of the nicest online communities I've come across. We get feedback every week from folks happy to participate in the community and contribute to ecosystem/core because it's very nice. I'd say that's plenty evidence it's doing some good.

CyberDildonics 10y ago
First, you are equating a blanket 'hey guys' with assuming everyone is a guy which is nonsense. It is a generic greeting, and you decide it is worth flexing authority over another adult, not to mention it is the definition of bike-shedding. Then, you are attributing people's hard work of being helpful with a 'code of conduct' which is unfair to their efforts. The people helping build up rust aren't doing it because someone decided to dictate the greetings they can use.
- Manishearth 10y ago
  The code of conduct doesn't dictate which kind of greetings to use. Nobody has dictated that in the Rust community. Community members just politely ask that you don't use some greetings. Nobody will stop you from continuing to do so. The "hey guys" thing isn't about intent. People are aware that you are not assuming that everyone is a guy. They are asking that you be considerate of people who have to deal with being misgendered all the time and made to feel like they don't belong. There is no authority being flexed. It's usually regular community members asking not to use "hey guys", not moderators. (This is also a super rare occurrence anyway). No, I'm not talking about helpfulness, I'm talking about people being nice. That's exactly what the code of conduct is about, and it seems to achieve that goal pretty well.
  - pitaj 10y ago
    > being misgendered all the time Saying "guy" isn't misgendering because it's a gender neutral pronoun. People call women "guys" all the time. Most people realize this.
flukus 10y ago
> I can name plenty of women that I know that are put off from participating in such communities because everyone just assumes that they are male. Is that a bad thing? That's the ultimate in equality.
- eridius 10y ago
  Are you kidding? Because that's not remotely equality at all. In fact, this comment itself seems rather sexist, since you're advocating that women are only equal to men if they're treated like men.
  - flukus 10y ago
    That's what equality is, treating people equally. Are you advocating that women be treated differently? That would be sexist.
    - eridius 10y ago
      Advocating for the idea that woman should be happy they're being treated like men is not equality. It's blatant inequality, and you're coming just short of explicitly saying that women are inferior to men.
      - flukus 10y ago
        So you think women should be treated differently to men? That is sexual discrimination. I'm not sure you're grasping the equality concept. Treating people the same is equality. Treating different genders differently is sexism. Someone here is clearly sexist, but it's not me. Edit - instant down votes, the sjw debate philosophy.
        Thiez 10y ago
        Do you also greet your mother with "Hey dad", or do you refer to her by a different word because of her gender?

CyberDildonics 10y ago

First, you are equating a blanket 'hey guys' with assuming everyone is a guy which is nonsense. It is a generic greeting, and you decide it is worth flexing authority over another adult, not to mention it is the definition of bike-shedding. Then, you are attributing people's hard work of being helpful with a 'code of conduct' which is unfair to their efforts. The people helping build up rust aren't doing it because someone decided to dictate the greetings they can use.

Manishearth 10y ago
The code of conduct doesn't dictate which kind of greetings to use. Nobody has dictated that in the Rust community. Community members just politely ask that you don't use some greetings. Nobody will stop you from continuing to do so. The "hey guys" thing isn't about intent. People are aware that you are not assuming that everyone is a guy. They are asking that you be considerate of people who have to deal with being misgendered all the time and made to feel like they don't belong. There is no authority being flexed. It's usually regular community members asking not to use "hey guys", not moderators. (This is also a super rare occurrence anyway). No, I'm not talking about helpfulness, I'm talking about people being nice. That's exactly what the code of conduct is about, and it seems to achieve that goal pretty well.
- pitaj 10y ago
  > being misgendered all the time Saying "guy" isn't misgendering because it's a gender neutral pronoun. People call women "guys" all the time. Most people realize this.

flukus 10y ago

> I can name plenty of women that I know that are put off from participating in such communities because everyone just assumes that they are male. Is that a bad thing? That's the ultimate in equality.

eridius 10y ago
Are you kidding? Because that's not remotely equality at all. In fact, this comment itself seems rather sexist, since you're advocating that women are only equal to men if they're treated like men.
- flukus 10y ago
  That's what equality is, treating people equally. Are you advocating that women be treated differently? That would be sexist.
  - eridius 10y ago
    Advocating for the idea that woman should be happy they're being treated like men is not equality. It's blatant inequality, and you're coming just short of explicitly saying that women are inferior to men.
    - flukus 10y ago
      So you think women should be treated differently to men? That is sexual discrimination. I'm not sure you're grasping the equality concept. Treating people the same is equality. Treating different genders differently is sexism. Someone here is clearly sexist, but it's not me. Edit - instant down votes, the sjw debate philosophy.
      - Thiez 10y ago
        Do you also greet your mother with "Hey dad", or do you refer to her by a different word because of her gender?