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Thanks, Obama: NSA to stream raw intelligence into FBI, DEA and pals

33 points by Cozumel 10y ago

MrZongle2 10y ago
See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13383833 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13383833
toufka 10y ago
How does this jive with the Posse Comitatus Act? The NSA is a military operation, and the FBI is a domestic operation. Surely there is information that should be shared between them, but a firehose from one to the other, no matter how limited, seems to be a reasonably clear violation. We now have clear evidence that 'for foreign investigation' is absolutely no boundary to domestic collection. Why would such a limitation be any different here than it was (not) for the NSA's collection? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  IANAL. But I think it probably violates Posse Comitatus, and unreasonable search and seizure, and several other things. (The right to privacy means you can get an abortion, but you can't get actual privacy? Say what?) But, in the place we have come to, nobody seems to actually care what the law (or even the Constitution) says. But it's odd that Obama would do this on the way out the door. Why would he? It's not likely that he wanted to leave Trump all the tools to become a dictator. (I don't subscribe to that flavor of conspiracy theory, that both parties are in it to steal our freedom, despite the massive evidence in support.) It seems more likely that Obama felt this was genuinely necessary. Either he's right (which is very sobering), or he's mistaken. In the latter case, I could buy that the intelligence community genuinely believed that they needed it, and argued for it very persuasively. But I still can't believe that they're right. Too many people died for freedom for us to give it away to avoid casualties. (If we're willing to make that trade, we won't keep much in the way of freedom, and we won't deserve to.)
  - gohrt 10y ago
    Obama has spent 8 years not caring about the 4th Amendment.

33 points by Cozumel 10y ago

See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13383833 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13383833

How does this jive with the Posse Comitatus Act? The NSA is a military operation, and the FBI is a domestic operation. Surely there is information that should be shared between them, but a firehose from one to the other, no matter how limited, seems to be a reasonably clear violation. We now have clear evidence that 'for foreign investigation' is absolutely no boundary to domestic collection. Why would such a limitation be any different here than it was (not) for the NSA's collection? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

AnimalMuppet 10y ago
IANAL. But I think it probably violates Posse Comitatus, and unreasonable search and seizure, and several other things. (The right to privacy means you can get an abortion, but you can't get actual privacy? Say what?) But, in the place we have come to, nobody seems to actually care what the law (or even the Constitution) says. But it's odd that Obama would do this on the way out the door. Why would he? It's not likely that he wanted to leave Trump all the tools to become a dictator. (I don't subscribe to that flavor of conspiracy theory, that both parties are in it to steal our freedom, despite the massive evidence in support.) It seems more likely that Obama felt this was genuinely necessary. Either he's right (which is very sobering), or he's mistaken. In the latter case, I could buy that the intelligence community genuinely believed that they needed it, and argued for it very persuasively. But I still can't believe that they're right. Too many people died for freedom for us to give it away to avoid casualties. (If we're willing to make that trade, we won't keep much in the way of freedom, and we won't deserve to.)
- gohrt 10y ago
  Obama has spent 8 years not caring about the 4th Amendment.