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The last straw for me was when osx without warning or explanation removed the vpn technology I was using. The people waiting for me to do work asked "why in the

The last straw for me was when osx without warning or explanation removed the vpn technology I was using. The people waiting for me to do work asked "why in the hell are you still trying to use that piece of crap" and I didn't have an answer. I never really needed the super expensive ssd or the most high end cpu. I do need more ram and am dumbfounded why apple would go 5+ years without upgrading the ram (cue the apple fans to tell me I'm stupid and don't need more ram). I put together a $700 system that better fits my needs than the $4000 macbook. The awesome magic trackpad 2 I was so worried about losing has been replaced with a mx master and I ended up liking it better. The real surprise for me is that intel 530 graphics drives a 4k display better than the macbook with its loud m370x. I'm not a hater. I like apple's attitude on encryption. I like brushed aluminum stuff and don't mind paying for it. It just doesn't work for me when a $700 system can have better specs for my work than their $4000 system.

xxs 10y ago
"most high end cpu" there is nothing high end about the cpu...
sbuk 10y ago
They removed PPTP, which is a terrible protocol. >"why in the hell are you still trying to use that piece of crap" I'd've retorted with "Why the hell are you still using PPTP for your VPN?"
- robotjosh 10y ago
  It wasn't the first issue I ran into being on osx and everyone else using windows. As someone who used these machines for work, I can't control what terrible protocols people use, I just need it to work.
  - sbuk 10y ago
    >"It wasn't the first issue I ran into being on osx and everyone else using windows." So Microsoft using outdated and insecure prototocols, as well as propriatery[0] ones is Apple's fault? It's perfectly fine to say "I don't like Apple/the direction they are taking, so I'm moving to another platform." Use what works best for you. Just don't use petty excuses for it. Sorry, you are baring the brunt of the glut of "Why I'm switching" articles. [0]Yes, I realise that Apple can also be a bad actor in this department too.
    - robotjosh 10y ago
      There are a lot more reasons I switched to windows than a vpn that stopped working. I tried for over 4 years to incorporate osx into an engineering work flow. The nominally cross platform eclipse stack I was using never became fully compatible with osx. It was always a usb driver or something stopping the osx version from working. Even when it did work, I would check in a project and someone else would be like "omg this doesn't work, did you do this in osx?". I had a total of 1 project ever where the client wanted to mess with the code in osx and was glad I could do it in osx. Ended up using parallels for almost all compiler toolchains. My saleae scope software is buggy in osx, ties up a cpu at 100% while its open for some reason- had to use that in parallels too. What DID I use native osx for? Browsers? Mac vim? Linux commandline? It clearly has not been worth the time and money.
- chx 10y ago
  > Implementing PEAP-MS-CHAP v2 Authentication for Microsoft VPNs may require less change to configuration and have a lesser impact to systems than implementing a more secure VPN tunnel, such as using L2TP, IKEv2, or SSTP VPN tunnels in conjunction with MS-CHAP v2 or EAP-MS-CHAP v2 for authentication. https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/2743314 https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/2743314
simonh 10y ago
> I do need more ram and am dumbfounded why apple would go 5+ years without upgrading the ram (cue the apple fans to tell me I'm stupid and don't need more ram). Intel's mobility processors only support up to 16 GB RAM. At least Apple upped the base spec to the full 16 GB. Processors supporting more than 16 GB are due out in 2017.
- robotjosh 10y ago
  Then why am I able to purchase a thinkpad with 64gb ram? It doesn't matter, I'm over all the excuses.
  - Philipp__ 10y ago
    Then those Thinkpads are not using ULV CPUs...
    - robotjosh 10y ago
      Yes, I've heard all the excuses as to why apple can only offer 16gb. There are xeon laptops with 128gb, so whatever.
      - Philipp__ 10y ago
        But those Xeon CPUs are not ULV. Are you reading what I wrote or you do not know what Ultra Low Voltage CPU mean?! Apple uses exclusively ULV CPUs and Intel will offer first ULV models that extend 16GB limit at the end of 2017. So it's on Intel not Apple. And if Apple do not bump the RAM limit in 2018. then we can throw that on them. Edit: I was wrong about CPU, mixed it with LPDDR, here -> https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/ https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/
        robotjosh 10y ago
        This IS the complaint- that apple is only selling ultralights now.
        10y ago

xxs 10y ago

"most high end cpu" there is nothing high end about the cpu...

sbuk 10y ago

They removed PPTP, which is a terrible protocol. >"why in the hell are you still trying to use that piece of crap" I'd've retorted with "Why the hell are you still using PPTP for your VPN?"

robotjosh 10y ago
It wasn't the first issue I ran into being on osx and everyone else using windows. As someone who used these machines for work, I can't control what terrible protocols people use, I just need it to work.
- sbuk 10y ago
  >"It wasn't the first issue I ran into being on osx and everyone else using windows." So Microsoft using outdated and insecure prototocols, as well as propriatery[0] ones is Apple's fault? It's perfectly fine to say "I don't like Apple/the direction they are taking, so I'm moving to another platform." Use what works best for you. Just don't use petty excuses for it. Sorry, you are baring the brunt of the glut of "Why I'm switching" articles. [0]Yes, I realise that Apple can also be a bad actor in this department too.
  - robotjosh 10y ago
    There are a lot more reasons I switched to windows than a vpn that stopped working. I tried for over 4 years to incorporate osx into an engineering work flow. The nominally cross platform eclipse stack I was using never became fully compatible with osx. It was always a usb driver or something stopping the osx version from working. Even when it did work, I would check in a project and someone else would be like "omg this doesn't work, did you do this in osx?". I had a total of 1 project ever where the client wanted to mess with the code in osx and was glad I could do it in osx. Ended up using parallels for almost all compiler toolchains. My saleae scope software is buggy in osx, ties up a cpu at 100% while its open for some reason- had to use that in parallels too. What DID I use native osx for? Browsers? Mac vim? Linux commandline? It clearly has not been worth the time and money.
chx 10y ago
> Implementing PEAP-MS-CHAP v2 Authentication for Microsoft VPNs may require less change to configuration and have a lesser impact to systems than implementing a more secure VPN tunnel, such as using L2TP, IKEv2, or SSTP VPN tunnels in conjunction with MS-CHAP v2 or EAP-MS-CHAP v2 for authentication. https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/2743314 https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/2743314

simonh 10y ago

> I do need more ram and am dumbfounded why apple would go 5+ years without upgrading the ram (cue the apple fans to tell me I'm stupid and don't need more ram). Intel's mobility processors only support up to 16 GB RAM. At least Apple upped the base spec to the full 16 GB. Processors supporting more than 16 GB are due out in 2017.

robotjosh 10y ago
Then why am I able to purchase a thinkpad with 64gb ram? It doesn't matter, I'm over all the excuses.
- Philipp__ 10y ago
  Then those Thinkpads are not using ULV CPUs...
  - robotjosh 10y ago
    Yes, I've heard all the excuses as to why apple can only offer 16gb. There are xeon laptops with 128gb, so whatever.
    - Philipp__ 10y ago
      But those Xeon CPUs are not ULV. Are you reading what I wrote or you do not know what Ultra Low Voltage CPU mean?! Apple uses exclusively ULV CPUs and Intel will offer first ULV models that extend 16GB limit at the end of 2017. So it's on Intel not Apple. And if Apple do not bump the RAM limit in 2018. then we can throw that on them. Edit: I was wrong about CPU, mixed it with LPDDR, here -> https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/ https://macdaddy.io/macbook-pro-limited-16gb-ram/
      - robotjosh 10y ago
        This IS the complaint- that apple is only selling ultralights now.
      - 10y ago