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"just a matter of degree"? OK, let's look at it then: Side A is officially antisemitic in their founding document (Hamas) and TV programs (even for children!);
by berntb 10y ago
"just a matter of degree"? OK, let's look at it then:
Side A is officially antisemitic in their founding document (Hamas) and TV programs (even for children!); they literally took inspirations from the 3rd Reich. They condone murders of civilians (even children) and pay pensions to the family of killed murderers. They have expelled all members of side B. They persecute members of side B everywhere on the planet where both groups live in the same society.
Side B have racism from individuals, which is officially condemned by a democratically elected government. They throw murderers of civilians in jail. 20% (?) of the population in side B are really part of side A, with no expulsions (except once in a bad civil war, when both sides did it, almost 70 years ago).
And so on, there are lots of examples.
You can dismiss this as "just a matter of degree". But then note that there is also "just a matter of degree" in Celsius between Antarctica and Hawaii.
When do "double standards for different sides" go over the limit to the definition of stronger terms?
(Edit: If you're going to argue that persecution and hatred of Jews are excusable because of X, note that more Jews were expelled from the Muslim world than Palestinians that fled from the Nakba. And multiple times more land was stolen from them than the total area of Israel.)
- justin66 10y ago> If you're going to argue that persecution and hatred of Jews are excusable because of X If it seemed to you that anything I wrote intended to argue that persecution and hatred of anyone is "excusable because of X", this was rather a waste of time. Which is of course a surprise, since discussion of the Palestinian conflict online is ordinarily so productive...
- berntb 10y agoThat was just answering a common bad argument in advance. I wrote it INSIDE "()", AS AN EDIT. since that was the only thing you could comment on, sad... EDIT: I used a ":-)" three comments ago as a mark of irony. Well, justin66 have no serious answer, so I end it here. Edit 2: Justin66 seems to downvote my comments in this old discussion now, with multiple accounts... 15+ downvotes on old and new comments in 20 minutes. That is what happens when people lack both a serious argument and maturity. (Easy to find for HN mods..) Edit 3: detaro -- The karma is irrelevant. And I should be equally ashamed as justin66 for needling whai I hope is a teenager when he have dearly held wrong opinions. Enough.
- justin66 10y agoNow that I know that not all of what you've written is meant to be taken seriously, I really have no idea what point you're trying to get across, aside from some vague pro-Israel, anti-Palestine thing. My mistake for responding to a message ending in ":-)" in the first place.
- berntb 10y agoSince you lack serious arguments -- the closest are that I had a ":-)" three comments ago and personal attacks -- we can close this. (And of course it is just a coincidence that I get 7++ downvotes on old comments and 5+ downvotes on new comments just a few minutes after you get angry because you totally lack answers. :-) ) Edit: DanBC do have a point, I have a history of easily being trolled when people without arguments start discussin person instead etc. I will think about that in the future.
- DanBC 10y ago>And of course it is just a coincidence You're getting downvotes, and flags, because you are being rude and aggressive.
- berntb 10y agoI'll add a comment here so DanBC sees it. You have a point, I am easily trolled when people lack arguments and start discussing person. Regarding earlier comments... I got mainly upvotes, until an hour ago. I have argued, a year or two ago, that this subject have to much emotional attachments and doesn't work on HN. It is twice as true today, it seems people now often have secondary accounts used for trolling when they lack answers about soemthing they find important.
- grzm 10y agoI don't think what you're seeing is the action of secondary accounts. The tone of a number of your comments has been rude and aggressive, and the accusations of other users is also uncivil. You've been called out by a mod, and at least two other members have commented on your behavior. I've downvoted and flagged a number of your comments as well. You may be right about the topic not being appropriate for HN. Regardless of the behavior of other members—even if you think they're trolling—it's important to be civil. Even more so when the topic is emotional. Otherwise it's just better to refrain from commenting.
- iblankm 10y agoWhy are we talking about Side A and Side B at all? Each of those is a vast overgeneralization. Israelis are diverse, as are Palestinians/Gazans. It's easy to make broad generalizations until you actually meet people on both sides and understand their human context. Have you ever met a Gazan (outside of any military situation, if you're Israeli and had to serve)? If not, check this out since it may be the closest you can get... I don't think these people are ones you'd have any reason to dislike or want to punish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEJtZekhROE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEJtZekhROE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_w1aoJgO8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_w1aoJgO8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nAkx4n0yUU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nAkx4n0yUU
- berntb 10y agoA comment from an hours old account... :-) I was answering a claim "it was just a matter of degree". I pointed out that claim was highly doubtful, but didn't get a serious answer. And I won't get one, obviously. (Regarding the real subject of the post and your comment -- good luck.) Edit: justin66 have two accounts and could downvote twice? I hope the admins of HN see this... :-)
- DanBC 10y agoFor clarity: I'm downvoting some of your comments because of your rude, aggressive, tone. I'm not justin66.