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Right. Orange is the new black. Liberals are a threat to democracy. Putin's the good guy. Trump's a victim.

by ciconia 10y ago

wgreenberg 10y ago
Your response seems to imply you missed the major points of the article: "[...] there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?" Greenwald, who has been a consistent and vociferous critic of Trump, is arguing that falling in line with the CIA is as big a mistake for the left now as it was back in '03 when they lied us into the Iraq War. The CIA is not your friend, and there are much more effective and powerful ways to handle Trump's obvious corruption: "Beyond that, the threat posed by submitting ourselves to the CIA and empowering it to reign supreme outside of the democratic process is — as Eisenhower warned — an even more severe danger. The threat of being ruled by unaccountable and unelected entities is self-evident and grave. That’s especially true when the entity behind which so many are rallying is one with a long and deliberate history of lying, propaganda, war crimes, torture, and the worst atrocities imaginable. [...] There are solutions to Trump. They involve reasoned strategizing and patient focus on issues people actually care about. Whatever those solutions are, venerating the intelligence community, begging for its intervention, and equating their dark and dirty assertions as Truth are most certainly not among them. Doing that cannot possibly achieve any good, and is already doing much harm."
loudtieblahblah 10y ago
The Democrats are a threat to our democracy. Less so than Republicans, but still. One only need to see the deregulation under Bill Clinton, the war machines of Clinton and Obama, the explosive growth of the surveillance state, the war on whistleblowers, and hell - even how Democrats manage their own primaries by rigging townhalls, the party itself treating it's own candidates unfairly, and having a system of super-delegates in place just in case all else fails. So quit acting like they are somehow sacrosanct. The article never stated Trump is a victim - in fact, it advocates opposing him. The article never claimed Putin was a good guy.
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Right. Orange is the new black. Liberals are a threat to democracy. Putin's the good guy. Trump's a victim.

by ciconia 10y ago

Right. Orange is the new black. Liberals are a threat to democracy. Putin's the good guy. Trump's a victim.

Your response seems to imply you missed the major points of the article: "[...] there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?" Greenwald, who has been a consistent and vociferous critic of Trump, is arguing that falling in line with the CIA is as big a mistake for the left now as it was back in '03 when they lied us into the Iraq War. The CIA is not your friend, and there are much more effective and powerful ways to handle Trump's obvious corruption: "Beyond that, the threat posed by submitting ourselves to the CIA and empowering it to reign supreme outside of the democratic process is — as Eisenhower warned — an even more severe danger. The threat of being ruled by unaccountable and unelected entities is self-evident and grave. That’s especially true when the entity behind which so many are rallying is one with a long and deliberate history of lying, propaganda, war crimes, torture, and the worst atrocities imaginable. [...] There are solutions to Trump. They involve reasoned strategizing and patient focus on issues people actually care about. Whatever those solutions are, venerating the intelligence community, begging for its intervention, and equating their dark and dirty assertions as Truth are most certainly not among them. Doing that cannot possibly achieve any good, and is already doing much harm."

loudtieblahblah 10y ago

The Democrats are a threat to our democracy. Less so than Republicans, but still. One only need to see the deregulation under Bill Clinton, the war machines of Clinton and Obama, the explosive growth of the surveillance state, the war on whistleblowers, and hell - even how Democrats manage their own primaries by rigging townhalls, the party itself treating it's own candidates unfairly, and having a system of super-delegates in place just in case all else fails. So quit acting like they are somehow sacrosanct. The article never stated Trump is a victim - in fact, it advocates opposing him. The article never claimed Putin was a good guy.

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