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I haven't tried google maps. But, neither would any locals out here. Google is number 3 out here for searches. And as to how the semantic web would help, I thi

by nekopa 16y ago

I haven't tried google maps. But, neither would any locals out here. Google is number 3 out here for searches. And as to how the semantic web would help, I think your suggestion gives the evidence. Google is automatically extracting info based on its semantics, ie if it looks like an address, attach that semantic info to it, and utilise it. This also goes a long way to back up your point that the semantic web will probably start if we can do it automatically. Then I could see manual initiatives starting along the lines of wikipedia: someone has a cool way of adding semantic information via the crowdsource. That is when we will have a breakthrough in the SW

elblanco 16y ago
But the semantics of searching on a map is not the "semantic web" that people like Tim Berners-Lee are talking about. It people out there can't be bothered to search google maps, is there some particular reason they'd instantiate a reasoning engine on a semantic graph to find a local babysitter?
- david927 16y ago
  Oh yes it is. In his first TED speech his exact example is naming a point on a map.
  - elblanco 16y ago
    Demonstrate a working, genuinely useful semantic system and the world will believe you. Until then, the SW is a monumental waste of everybody's time. this is the semantic web http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web Searching google maps is not the semantic web no matter how you try to twist the term. You can't both claim the SW already exists and doesn't exist at the same time. The fact that I can already do something that the SW claims it will be able to do, in 15 or 20 years, already demonstrates that the principle isn't necessary and is already obsolete.
    - david927 16y ago
      Demonstrate a working, genuinely useful semantic system and the world will believe you. Until then, the SW is a monumental waste of everybody's time Develop the atomic bomb and you can stop WWII, but until then it's a monumental waste of time. (Ok, bad example, but you see what I mean.) We've created the entire web in the last 15 years, and it's all wrong. It's all text. For the written word, articles and books, that's fine. For the rest, it's rubbish. We have to reboot the whole thing. Larry and Sergey tried to shop Page Rank but had no takers. Everyone had to be shown why it was better. I've got a working, genuinely useful semantic system. It will take months more before I can get it to that demonstrable form. But when I do, I think you will begin to see how cool the SW is when it's rendered in clear, easy, and useful way.
      - elblanco 16y ago
        > I've got a working, genuinely useful semantic system. It will take months more before I can get it to that demonstrable form. But when I do, I think you will begin to see how cool the SW is when it's rendered in clear, easy, and useful way. Please post a link here. I'm obviously skeptical. I've seen several different semantic systems after 30 or 40 million dollars were sunk into them, and we've all seen Wolfram Alpha. None of them are transforming the world. But I'm not insane, if I find something I think is genuinely useful or cool, I'll be happy to love it :)
        david927 16y ago
        Cheers! Will do.
Tichy 16y ago
Maybe it's time people in your country start looking at other search engines :-) Why is Google only number 3? And what does it matter if another search engine is more popular? Just use the best one. Of course maybe others are better optimized for your country, but somehow I doubt it.
Tichy 16y ago
Maybe it's time people in your country start looking at other search engines :-) Why is Google only number 3? And what does it matter if another search engine is more popular? Just use the best one. Of course maybe others are better optimized for your country, but somehow I doubt it. Also, how many searches are country specific anyway?
- david927 16y ago
  Google readily admits that they can't do local well and would love to do it well. They also can't do real-time. Those are both specialties of the SW. The more you argue, the more you show your lack of understanding both with the state of the art and what's possible.

by nekopa 16y ago

elblanco 16y ago

But the semantics of searching on a map is not the "semantic web" that people like Tim Berners-Lee are talking about. It people out there can't be bothered to search google maps, is there some particular reason they'd instantiate a reasoning engine on a semantic graph to find a local babysitter?

david927 16y ago
Oh yes it is. In his first TED speech his exact example is naming a point on a map.
- elblanco 16y ago
  Demonstrate a working, genuinely useful semantic system and the world will believe you. Until then, the SW is a monumental waste of everybody's time. this is the semantic web http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web Searching google maps is not the semantic web no matter how you try to twist the term. You can't both claim the SW already exists and doesn't exist at the same time. The fact that I can already do something that the SW claims it will be able to do, in 15 or 20 years, already demonstrates that the principle isn't necessary and is already obsolete.
  - david927 16y ago
    Demonstrate a working, genuinely useful semantic system and the world will believe you. Until then, the SW is a monumental waste of everybody's time Develop the atomic bomb and you can stop WWII, but until then it's a monumental waste of time. (Ok, bad example, but you see what I mean.) We've created the entire web in the last 15 years, and it's all wrong. It's all text. For the written word, articles and books, that's fine. For the rest, it's rubbish. We have to reboot the whole thing. Larry and Sergey tried to shop Page Rank but had no takers. Everyone had to be shown why it was better. I've got a working, genuinely useful semantic system. It will take months more before I can get it to that demonstrable form. But when I do, I think you will begin to see how cool the SW is when it's rendered in clear, easy, and useful way.
    - elblanco 16y ago
      > I've got a working, genuinely useful semantic system. It will take months more before I can get it to that demonstrable form. But when I do, I think you will begin to see how cool the SW is when it's rendered in clear, easy, and useful way. Please post a link here. I'm obviously skeptical. I've seen several different semantic systems after 30 or 40 million dollars were sunk into them, and we've all seen Wolfram Alpha. None of them are transforming the world. But I'm not insane, if I find something I think is genuinely useful or cool, I'll be happy to love it :)
      - david927 16y ago
        Cheers! Will do.

Tichy 16y ago

Maybe it's time people in your country start looking at other search engines :-) Why is Google only number 3? And what does it matter if another search engine is more popular? Just use the best one. Of course maybe others are better optimized for your country, but somehow I doubt it.

Tichy 16y ago

david927 16y ago
Google readily admits that they can't do local well and would love to do it well. They also can't do real-time. Those are both specialties of the SW. The more you argue, the more you show your lack of understanding both with the state of the art and what's possible.