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This is gaslighting. Facts used to matter. It used to be that politicians would substantially lose face for inconsistencies in policy (think John Kerry most rec

This is gaslighting. Facts used to matter. It used to be that politicians would substantially lose face for inconsistencies in policy (think John Kerry most recently). Now politicians claim to have never done things they are on film doing, and people believe them. We are absolutely in a new mode of politics, one that transcends mere differences of opinion. To pretend otherwise does everyone a disservice.

Chris2048 10y ago
> and people believe them Or don't care. Some people in the US are so far under water, they are desperate for change; such that they'd back Trump whatever. Sexual allegations? Who cares if he can actually tries to bring back my job... Note, I say this without any implication of whether the allegations are true. My point is, people might not care either way. A sexual predator that fixes things is better than an someone virtuous that does nothing.
ThomPete 10y ago
When did facts use to matter and for what? The only disservice is to claim that things are somehow different when they are in fact the same.
- mcguire 10y ago
  You see, there was this Golden Age. Everyone was beautiful, honor and virtue flourished, and Truth was held above all else. Some people say that this age was in the '50s. Others, the 1880s. Some even claim it was the 1790s. Mostly, they're just barking mad.
coldtea 10y ago
>Now politicians claim to have never done things they are on film doing, and people believe them. "I never had sexual relations with that woman". "Read my lips: there will be no more taxes". "It depends on what the definition of is is". "I will close down Guantanamo Bay".
- Chris2048 10y ago
  > "I will close down Guantanamo Bay". To be fair, it seems like he tried. He just failed? He was playing it too safe to bring about the drastic measures needed to close gitmo.
- croon 10y ago
  > >Now politicians claim to have never done things they are on film doing, and people believe them. > "I never had sexual relations with that woman". Wait, there's a sex tape of Bill Clinton? In all seriousness, quotes are all good, but you would benefit from saying what it is you hope to achieve by them.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    I think the point is that facts (whether on TV or not) didn't use to matter more than they do today.
    - croon 10y ago
      So you are claiming that no one cared about the Clinton scandal in the 90s? Because no one sure didn't seem to care about the numerous Trump ones.
      - ThomPete 10y ago
        No I am claiming the opposite. That people care as much today as they did back in the 90s.
        croon 10y ago
        I... can't say anything other than: Apparently not.
        ThomPete 10y ago
        I would love for you to substantiate that into something meaningful. So by all means. Prove me wrong.
mcguire 10y ago
"Are Clinton and Trump the Biggest Liars Ever to Run for President? A short history of White House fabulists." By DAVID GREENBERG, http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/2016-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-us-history-presidents-liars-dishonest-fabulists-214024 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/2016-donald-t...

Chris2048 10y ago

> and people believe them Or don't care. Some people in the US are so far under water, they are desperate for change; such that they'd back Trump whatever. Sexual allegations? Who cares if he can actually tries to bring back my job... Note, I say this without any implication of whether the allegations are true. My point is, people might not care either way. A sexual predator that fixes things is better than an someone virtuous that does nothing.

ThomPete 10y ago

When did facts use to matter and for what? The only disservice is to claim that things are somehow different when they are in fact the same.

mcguire 10y ago
You see, there was this Golden Age. Everyone was beautiful, honor and virtue flourished, and Truth was held above all else. Some people say that this age was in the '50s. Others, the 1880s. Some even claim it was the 1790s. Mostly, they're just barking mad.

coldtea 10y ago

>Now politicians claim to have never done things they are on film doing, and people believe them. "I never had sexual relations with that woman". "Read my lips: there will be no more taxes". "It depends on what the definition of is is". "I will close down Guantanamo Bay".

Chris2048 10y ago
> "I will close down Guantanamo Bay". To be fair, it seems like he tried. He just failed? He was playing it too safe to bring about the drastic measures needed to close gitmo.
croon 10y ago
> >Now politicians claim to have never done things they are on film doing, and people believe them. > "I never had sexual relations with that woman". Wait, there's a sex tape of Bill Clinton? In all seriousness, quotes are all good, but you would benefit from saying what it is you hope to achieve by them.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  I think the point is that facts (whether on TV or not) didn't use to matter more than they do today.
  - croon 10y ago
    So you are claiming that no one cared about the Clinton scandal in the 90s? Because no one sure didn't seem to care about the numerous Trump ones.
    - ThomPete 10y ago
      No I am claiming the opposite. That people care as much today as they did back in the 90s.
      - croon 10y ago
        I... can't say anything other than: Apparently not.
        ThomPete 10y ago
        I would love for you to substantiate that into something meaningful. So by all means. Prove me wrong.

mcguire 10y ago

"Are Clinton and Trump the Biggest Liars Ever to Run for President? A short history of White House fabulists." By DAVID GREENBERG, http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/2016-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-us-history-presidents-liars-dishonest-fabulists-214024 http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/2016-donald-t...