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I noticed something similar. In that there is a lot conspiracy theory being thrown at Trump. In the past the establishment would've kept quiet even if they knew

by devoply 10y ago

I noticed something similar. In that there is a lot conspiracy theory being thrown at Trump. In the past the establishment would've kept quiet even if they knew something. This sort of politics is dangerous and polarizing. But it seems as if the elite don't know what else to do. Maybe they are hoping they can impeach him.

ctvo 10y ago
Tump's refusal to do things such as releasing tax returns to prove no conflicts of interests exists fuels the conspiracies, not some political elite plot to undermine him. And the conspircy theories are not unique to Trump: Obama had calls of being a Muslim, born outside of the US and worse. The current alt-right partially believe in a child trafficking pizza parlor.
- devoply 10y ago
  It was not the political elite calling Obama a Muslim, it was the fringe. This is different. You could argue that Obama not releasing his Birth Certificate until 2011 only fueled the fringe, but it was the fringe. In this case the official opposition is making claims and not backed up by any real evidence. Just claims made by anonymous sources. I meant I could concoct a document like that in a few months. Without any real evidence it's really a conspiracy theory, nothing more. Just because it comes from a former official, does not mean shit. There have been officials that have mouthed off about conspiracies before, they are completely ignored. Anyone has a good reason not to release private documents like your tax returns if you are doing business. It could be used by numerous sources to attack you. You don't want to open yourself up to that kind of liability, ever... just to please some people who don't like you and never will like you.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > You could argue that Obama not releasing his Birth Certificate until 2011 only fueled the fringe If you ignore the fact that his official birth certificate was released in 2008; what was released in 2011 was the internal record stored at the Department of Health which Obama could not himself release.becaise he did not have access to, as the Department did not, by policy, release.such records to anyone, with or without the consent of the subject, and the continuing controversy was itself the basis for the exception which Obama asked the department to make to release it.
  - alphabettsy 10y ago
    You're kinda right, it was Donald Trump with the loudest megaphone on that one.
  - ctvo 10y ago
    > It was not the political elite calling Obama a Muslim, it was the fringe. It included Trump. For years. > In this case the official opposition is making claims and not backed up by any real evidence. Just claims made by anonymous sources. The document you're referring was compiled during the Republican primary and election. It wasn't compiled after he was elected. It being finally leaked because it's circulated for months with no one willing to print it is evidence against an elite conspiracy against Trump, not for. > Without any real evidence it's really a conspiracy theory, nothing more. No one is arguing otherwise. > Anyone has a good reason not to release private documents like your tax returns if you are doing business. It could be used by numerous sources to attack you. You don't want to open yourself up to that kind of liability, ever. Though I appreciate you not using Trump's official line of being audited by the IRS prohibiting him from releasing his tax returns, this claim is curious because other nominees running for president have all released their tax returns, many of them also businessmen.

by devoply 10y ago

ctvo 10y ago

Tump's refusal to do things such as releasing tax returns to prove no conflicts of interests exists fuels the conspiracies, not some political elite plot to undermine him. And the conspircy theories are not unique to Trump: Obama had calls of being a Muslim, born outside of the US and worse. The current alt-right partially believe in a child trafficking pizza parlor.

devoply 10y ago
It was not the political elite calling Obama a Muslim, it was the fringe. This is different. You could argue that Obama not releasing his Birth Certificate until 2011 only fueled the fringe, but it was the fringe. In this case the official opposition is making claims and not backed up by any real evidence. Just claims made by anonymous sources. I meant I could concoct a document like that in a few months. Without any real evidence it's really a conspiracy theory, nothing more. Just because it comes from a former official, does not mean shit. There have been officials that have mouthed off about conspiracies before, they are completely ignored. Anyone has a good reason not to release private documents like your tax returns if you are doing business. It could be used by numerous sources to attack you. You don't want to open yourself up to that kind of liability, ever... just to please some people who don't like you and never will like you.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > You could argue that Obama not releasing his Birth Certificate until 2011 only fueled the fringe If you ignore the fact that his official birth certificate was released in 2008; what was released in 2011 was the internal record stored at the Department of Health which Obama could not himself release.becaise he did not have access to, as the Department did not, by policy, release.such records to anyone, with or without the consent of the subject, and the continuing controversy was itself the basis for the exception which Obama asked the department to make to release it.
- alphabettsy 10y ago
  You're kinda right, it was Donald Trump with the loudest megaphone on that one.
- ctvo 10y ago
  > It was not the political elite calling Obama a Muslim, it was the fringe. It included Trump. For years. > In this case the official opposition is making claims and not backed up by any real evidence. Just claims made by anonymous sources. The document you're referring was compiled during the Republican primary and election. It wasn't compiled after he was elected. It being finally leaked because it's circulated for months with no one willing to print it is evidence against an elite conspiracy against Trump, not for. > Without any real evidence it's really a conspiracy theory, nothing more. No one is arguing otherwise. > Anyone has a good reason not to release private documents like your tax returns if you are doing business. It could be used by numerous sources to attack you. You don't want to open yourself up to that kind of liability, ever. Though I appreciate you not using Trump's official line of being audited by the IRS prohibiting him from releasing his tax returns, this claim is curious because other nominees running for president have all released their tax returns, many of them also businessmen.