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I don't get it. Why is native better than browser application? Browser application is by definition better sandboxed and can do much less damage to the system.

by runn1ng 10y ago

I don't get it. Why is native better than browser application? Browser application is by definition better sandboxed and can do much less damage to the system. Normal application can do mayhem. And Telegram needs root access for installation... do I want to give it root access? When I can just open another tab?

pjmlp 10y ago
Some users enjoy that software developers take advantage of the features of the OS they bought for a better UI/UX and performance.
Philipp__ 10y ago
Normal app can do mayhem just as any app can, even Electron one. I do not use Telegram, and do not know about root access, and it should be investigated. But root access is not always needed for native apps. Why is it better? Hundreds of reason, you can see down below. I will try to sum it up why I like native over electron in 3 words: responsiveness, robustness, cleanliness. Electron on desktop is resource hog for me. It is good for people that don't mind that, and that are deep into JS ecosystem. I am not, and I always prefer native app, partly because I am on macOS and Cocoa looks beautiful.
Mithaldu 10y ago
Performance considerations. Telegram at idle sits at 80mb ram and <0.01% cpu. Wire for example sits at 250mb idle and waffles between 0.05% and 2% cpu. Discord sits at 200mb idle and waffles between 0.01% and 0.10%, leaning towards the latter, jumping above it every few seconds at least.
matthewmacleod 10y ago
Electron apps are still native apps and have the same security story. They just include a browser.
- runn1ng 10y ago
  Oooh, people are comparing native and Electron apps. Then yeah, in that case native makes sense. I thought they are talking about the chrome app version of telegram, which I am using right now.
stiGGG 10y ago
And i don't get it, why kids today want only a browser. All that flame wars about the best window manager we fought and now we end up with one window only and a fucking tab bar?
- nicoulaj 10y ago
  Don't worry, they will invent tiling window managers inside a browser tab next.
  - runn1ng 10y ago
    Isn't Opera experimenting on that now? :)
jhasse 10y ago
Telegram Desktop doesn't need root access for installation. It's just a tar.xz file you can extract anywhere.

by runn1ng 10y ago

pjmlp 10y ago

Some users enjoy that software developers take advantage of the features of the OS they bought for a better UI/UX and performance.

Philipp__ 10y ago

Normal app can do mayhem just as any app can, even Electron one. I do not use Telegram, and do not know about root access, and it should be investigated. But root access is not always needed for native apps. Why is it better? Hundreds of reason, you can see down below. I will try to sum it up why I like native over electron in 3 words: responsiveness, robustness, cleanliness. Electron on desktop is resource hog for me. It is good for people that don't mind that, and that are deep into JS ecosystem. I am not, and I always prefer native app, partly because I am on macOS and Cocoa looks beautiful.

Mithaldu 10y ago

Performance considerations. Telegram at idle sits at 80mb ram and <0.01% cpu. Wire for example sits at 250mb idle and waffles between 0.05% and 2% cpu. Discord sits at 200mb idle and waffles between 0.01% and 0.10%, leaning towards the latter, jumping above it every few seconds at least.

matthewmacleod 10y ago

Electron apps are still native apps and have the same security story. They just include a browser.

runn1ng 10y ago
Oooh, people are comparing native and Electron apps. Then yeah, in that case native makes sense. I thought they are talking about the chrome app version of telegram, which I am using right now.

stiGGG 10y ago

And i don't get it, why kids today want only a browser. All that flame wars about the best window manager we fought and now we end up with one window only and a fucking tab bar?

nicoulaj 10y ago
Don't worry, they will invent tiling window managers inside a browser tab next.
- runn1ng 10y ago
  Isn't Opera experimenting on that now? :)

jhasse 10y ago

Telegram Desktop doesn't need root access for installation. It's just a tar.xz file you can extract anywhere.