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I'm on the other end. Early last year I switched to OSX. In the past I was heavily into various Linux distros: From Ubuntu, to the more lightweight Xubuntu. Fe

by joaodlf 10y ago

I'm on the other end. Early last year I switched to OSX. In the past I was heavily into various Linux distros: From Ubuntu, to the more lightweight Xubuntu. Fedora. Elementary. I've played with Gnome and Kde. It is my opinion that the people who seem ecstatic about their switch to Linux are still in their honeymoon period. I don't feel like any Linux distro out there comes close to the stability and elegance of OSX. I've had so many issues over the years, it's hard to even list them: - Ubuntu only used the dedicated gfx card on one of my laptops. Never would it settle into integrated. This caused performance issues, overheating, and I ultimately decided it was impossible to use. - Gnome had so many display, rendering, and performance issues... I still don't know how people tolerate it. Even software listed in this blog post: KeePassX copy/paste never worked for me. Random software that would just blank out and require a full system restart. - Crashes... so many... crashes. Especially when using multiple monitors. - Some distros (Elementary, for example) seem to have quite a few hardware limitations. Half the computers I tried to install these distros on would run into errors, a lot of bios chasing, too much time spent on forums to find help... Most of the times you just give up. - There just isn't enough software. And Wine isn't exactly the perfect solution. Not ONE single good MySQL gui for Linux (just an example). Think about that - and no, Workbench isn't good! It's extremely intensive on resources and bloated. I moved into OSX because I was fed up. I wanted to work and be productive and not constantly look after hardware and software. At the end of the day I wanted access to bash, pleasant to look at, with plenty of software options. I didn't want to worry about performance, random crashes, and lack of support for multiple displays. It's costly, but the solution for me was OSX.

rodelrod 10y ago
> Not ONE single good MySQL gui for Linux (just an example) SQLyog Community works wonderfully on Wine. I've been using it through multiple versions for almost 15 years with no problems. In fact I'm going crazy looking for a Posgres client that works as well and doesn't cost a fortune (meanwhile I'm working with a mix of pgAdmin and InteliJ's database plugin)
72deluxe 10y ago
This was the reason I switched to OSX too. I wanted to get stuff done, not fight all the time. I don't have time to tinker just to get stuff done. Of course, now we can both be upset the course the OSX takes from our adoption of it and observe the removal of features with no recourse. Lesser of two evils I suppose.
antfarm 10y ago
For the MySQL GUI, have you tried JetBrains' DataGrip? It's not free though. https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/ https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/
- antfarm 10y ago
  Btw., I switched from Linux (SuSE on a Sony VAIO notebook) to OS X (and the iBook) in 2003 and never looked back.
loup-vaillant 10y ago
My solution (not for everyone): Don't use what doesn't work. So… - No dedicated graphics card. Intel's work well enough. - I use Lxde with Xmonad. It's fast. - No crash since I bough my laptop 8 months ago. No multiple monitors either, though. - Still need proprietary hardware, so I stick to distros that distribute them. I blame the hardware vendors for their needless secrecy. - I don't miss anything but the latest Windows games.
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dcdevito 10y ago
I agree with you 100%. All these Mac users leaving for Linux will eventually realize how much work is involved in keeping a Linux system running. I was the opposite, I left OS X after nearly a decade (used Linux prior) and I hate Linux more now than I did before I switched to the Mac. Way too much work, errors everywhere for no apparent reason.
- adsche 10y ago
  > Way too much work, errors everywhere for no apparent reason. Interestingly, that would describe my experience with OSX (or macOS). At home I use my Lenovo T440s with Linux without any problems or glitches in the past two years. Before I had a Dell Vostro, running Linux without problems for five years. At work I have to use a MacPro (the winecooler-shaped thing) in a network run by the OSX Server app. Every other day I have to disconnect the thunderbolt display because it can't be woken up. Thunderbolt network has an incredible latency when connected to other machines in the same room. Unless you transfer one huge file, 100Mbit ethernet is always faster. Sometimes you're stuck at the login window because the magic mouse and keyboard refuse to connect (randomly) for half an hour. The OSX Server App fills the error logs at an incredible speed with only six machines and a couple more users. Network home drives are impossible to get right: NFS breaks ~/Library. AFP has constant "Resource busy" errors. SMB is the only one that works for all users but experiences so many random bugs that are impossible to trace. I can't remember a day where all users were able to login in the morning and no program had crashed overnight with data loss due to an SMB mount suddenly disappearing (work is scientific computing). And this is on a 1Gbit ethernet network, six machines and a server, all in the same room. Incredible! And has anybody ever tried updating the Server App? Last time it got stuck at upgrading the Wiki (that we have never used) because the postgres upgrade script was botched. That was fun to find and fix. And then the support. Nobody at the shops can really help you with network/server stuff. And the Apple forum is always like this: You find an old post with a apparently working solution. You try to implement the solution but Apple has removed a button that you're supposed to click. Or you make a new post, only to be told (from somebody who is not an apple official but apparently has access to a secret forum) that apple knows about the bug since 2011 and is working on it. Just wait for the next update. Sure. On the other hand, I have never had a Linux question that was not already answered in the Arch Linux forum. Is it really just me? Judging from the posts in the Apple forums, it can't be. But what do other people do to be productive in an Apple network?
lowbloodsugar 10y ago
I moved to OSX after a 15 month period on Linux after years on windows. I moved because of stability, and because of software like office, and at the time, iTunes for updating my shiny new iPhone. Despite the pain, I'm looking at moving back, because I'm fed up. I want to work and be productive. I'm looking at a Dell laptop with 64gb and escape key.
cobbzilla 10y ago
I'm not sure if it meets your needs, but DBVisualizer [1] has a reasonably full-featured free version. I use it for basic tasks and it works really well. They have a paid "pro" version but I haven't yet needed those features. [1] http://www.dbvis.com/ http://www.dbvis.com/

by joaodlf 10y ago

rodelrod 10y ago

> Not ONE single good MySQL gui for Linux (just an example) SQLyog Community works wonderfully on Wine. I've been using it through multiple versions for almost 15 years with no problems. In fact I'm going crazy looking for a Posgres client that works as well and doesn't cost a fortune (meanwhile I'm working with a mix of pgAdmin and InteliJ's database plugin)

72deluxe 10y ago

This was the reason I switched to OSX too. I wanted to get stuff done, not fight all the time. I don't have time to tinker just to get stuff done. Of course, now we can both be upset the course the OSX takes from our adoption of it and observe the removal of features with no recourse. Lesser of two evils I suppose.

antfarm 10y ago

For the MySQL GUI, have you tried JetBrains' DataGrip? It's not free though. https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/ https://www.jetbrains.com/datagrip/

antfarm 10y ago
Btw., I switched from Linux (SuSE on a Sony VAIO notebook) to OS X (and the iBook) in 2003 and never looked back.

loup-vaillant 10y ago

My solution (not for everyone): Don't use what doesn't work. So… - No dedicated graphics card. Intel's work well enough. - I use Lxde with Xmonad. It's fast. - No crash since I bough my laptop 8 months ago. No multiple monitors either, though. - Still need proprietary hardware, so I stick to distros that distribute them. I blame the hardware vendors for their needless secrecy. - I don't miss anything but the latest Windows games.

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dcdevito 10y ago

I agree with you 100%. All these Mac users leaving for Linux will eventually realize how much work is involved in keeping a Linux system running. I was the opposite, I left OS X after nearly a decade (used Linux prior) and I hate Linux more now than I did before I switched to the Mac. Way too much work, errors everywhere for no apparent reason.

adsche 10y ago
> Way too much work, errors everywhere for no apparent reason. Interestingly, that would describe my experience with OSX (or macOS). At home I use my Lenovo T440s with Linux without any problems or glitches in the past two years. Before I had a Dell Vostro, running Linux without problems for five years. At work I have to use a MacPro (the winecooler-shaped thing) in a network run by the OSX Server app. Every other day I have to disconnect the thunderbolt display because it can't be woken up. Thunderbolt network has an incredible latency when connected to other machines in the same room. Unless you transfer one huge file, 100Mbit ethernet is always faster. Sometimes you're stuck at the login window because the magic mouse and keyboard refuse to connect (randomly) for half an hour. The OSX Server App fills the error logs at an incredible speed with only six machines and a couple more users. Network home drives are impossible to get right: NFS breaks ~/Library. AFP has constant "Resource busy" errors. SMB is the only one that works for all users but experiences so many random bugs that are impossible to trace. I can't remember a day where all users were able to login in the morning and no program had crashed overnight with data loss due to an SMB mount suddenly disappearing (work is scientific computing). And this is on a 1Gbit ethernet network, six machines and a server, all in the same room. Incredible! And has anybody ever tried updating the Server App? Last time it got stuck at upgrading the Wiki (that we have never used) because the postgres upgrade script was botched. That was fun to find and fix. And then the support. Nobody at the shops can really help you with network/server stuff. And the Apple forum is always like this: You find an old post with a apparently working solution. You try to implement the solution but Apple has removed a button that you're supposed to click. Or you make a new post, only to be told (from somebody who is not an apple official but apparently has access to a secret forum) that apple knows about the bug since 2011 and is working on it. Just wait for the next update. Sure. On the other hand, I have never had a Linux question that was not already answered in the Arch Linux forum. Is it really just me? Judging from the posts in the Apple forums, it can't be. But what do other people do to be productive in an Apple network?

lowbloodsugar 10y ago

I moved to OSX after a 15 month period on Linux after years on windows. I moved because of stability, and because of software like office, and at the time, iTunes for updating my shiny new iPhone. Despite the pain, I'm looking at moving back, because I'm fed up. I want to work and be productive. I'm looking at a Dell laptop with 64gb and escape key.

cobbzilla 10y ago

I'm not sure if it meets your needs, but DBVisualizer [1] has a reasonably full-featured free version. I use it for basic tasks and it works really well. They have a paid "pro" version but I haven't yet needed those features. [1] http://www.dbvis.com/ http://www.dbvis.com/