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A lot of people here are taking the position that they weren't "forced" to do it. I think this is a incorrect framing of the problem. I would take the concept

A lot of people here are taking the position that they weren't "forced" to do it. I think this is a incorrect framing of the problem. I would take the concept that they experienced a workplace injury and weren't informed of the scope of danger that it may pose. Sure everyone has the right to refuse to do a job but changing jobs requires the resources to do so. If you have some type of leverage such as a house or bills to pay then thats an issue. The other problem is how do you perform this moderation? Possibly you could restrict the amount of time someone is exposed to this and then change people out once they have reached some type of exposure but thats primarily speculative.

RangerScience 10y ago
> experienced a workplace injury That sounds like the correct framing. If you think about physical dangers, these are "well understood and handled". It's not just a question of accurate danger assessment, there's also the assumption that the safety equipment provided is sufficient, that the exposure levels are within tolerance, etc. It's just that instead of dosemeters and hazmat suits, it's, say, minutes of content and job-provided therapists.
TheOneTrueKyle 10y ago
You don't deserve a job, nor is anyone holding a gun to your head. You chose to have kids and a mortgage. I currently work at a giant corp and I see this mentality everywhere and I see nepotism in action because of it. I need to find a new job. What I don't have to do is hang around. (Assuming these people knew what they were getting into)
- Clubber 10y ago
  >You chose to have kids and a mortgage. So did your parents. Would you wish this upon them?
  - TheOneTrueKyle 10y ago
    See my other comment about my parents. They sacrificed money and I don't talk to them. And yes I do. I had a shitty childhood though. Edit - also my parents never had a home and a mortgage...
  - trelltron 10y ago
    Having a child when you don't already have the capacity to adequately support both them AND yourselves (financially and emotionally) is one of the most selfish things you can do.
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      Although I don't entirely disagree with your point, but try telling that to someone who hasn't had proper sex-education. Or is told that now they are married they have to have children right away.
- silentmars 10y ago
  So what? It sounds like you are using this argument to excuse companies whose practices are causing workplace injury.
  - TheOneTrueKyle 10y ago
    Doesn't excuse anything. Sidetracked the conversation I apologize
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- prostoalex 10y ago
  "Soto claims he was assigned to the team and didn’t have any choice in the matter" "they were forced to remain there for 18 months before they could request a transfer"
prostoalex 10y ago
> weren't informed of the scope of danger that it may pose To take a cynical view, it's somewhat hard to predict the scope of danger. Some people might cry uncontrollably watching Bambi, some people won't budge at the grittiest stuff at somethingawful. Best the humanity can do, it seems, is to display the disclaimer of "violent" content ahead. The lawsuit involves 2 workers who claim to have developed PTSD. Perhaps they'll find a few more to join the lawsuit. How many employees had Microsoft had in comparable roles over the past decades? A few hundred?

RangerScience 10y ago

> experienced a workplace injury That sounds like the correct framing. If you think about physical dangers, these are "well understood and handled". It's not just a question of accurate danger assessment, there's also the assumption that the safety equipment provided is sufficient, that the exposure levels are within tolerance, etc. It's just that instead of dosemeters and hazmat suits, it's, say, minutes of content and job-provided therapists.

TheOneTrueKyle 10y ago

You don't deserve a job, nor is anyone holding a gun to your head. You chose to have kids and a mortgage. I currently work at a giant corp and I see this mentality everywhere and I see nepotism in action because of it. I need to find a new job. What I don't have to do is hang around. (Assuming these people knew what they were getting into)

Clubber 10y ago
>You chose to have kids and a mortgage. So did your parents. Would you wish this upon them?
- TheOneTrueKyle 10y ago
  See my other comment about my parents. They sacrificed money and I don't talk to them. And yes I do. I had a shitty childhood though. Edit - also my parents never had a home and a mortgage...
- trelltron 10y ago
  Having a child when you don't already have the capacity to adequately support both them AND yourselves (financially and emotionally) is one of the most selfish things you can do.
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    Although I don't entirely disagree with your point, but try telling that to someone who hasn't had proper sex-education. Or is told that now they are married they have to have children right away.
silentmars 10y ago
So what? It sounds like you are using this argument to excuse companies whose practices are causing workplace injury.
- TheOneTrueKyle 10y ago
  Doesn't excuse anything. Sidetracked the conversation I apologize
- deleted 10y ago
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prostoalex 10y ago
"Soto claims he was assigned to the team and didn’t have any choice in the matter" "they were forced to remain there for 18 months before they could request a transfer"

prostoalex 10y ago

> weren't informed of the scope of danger that it may pose To take a cynical view, it's somewhat hard to predict the scope of danger. Some people might cry uncontrollably watching Bambi, some people won't budge at the grittiest stuff at somethingawful. Best the humanity can do, it seems, is to display the disclaimer of "violent" content ahead. The lawsuit involves 2 workers who claim to have developed PTSD. Perhaps they'll find a few more to join the lawsuit. How many employees had Microsoft had in comparable roles over the past decades? A few hundred?