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the wars in the North Caucasus, Georgia, Ukraine and Syria The wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya... the enormous plunder of Russia's natural reso
by gaius 10y ago
the wars in the North Caucasus, Georgia, Ukraine and Syria
The wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya...
the enormous plunder of Russia's natural resources
The Dakota Access Pipeline
the sponsoring of hateful ideologies and their export across the world
The cosy relationship with the exporters of Wahhabism
the unscrupulous sale of weapons to warlords and dictators across the developing world
Handing out weapons like candy to every faction in the Middle East
the war on truth
CNN
- placeybordeaux 10y ago> CNN So CNN is controlled by the us government?
- r00fus 10y agoI'll just leave this here: http://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/why-were-government-propaganda-experts-working-on-news-at-cnn/ http://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/why-were-governmen...
- placeybordeaux 10y agoPlease be upfront in what you are insinuating. That article indicates that there was an incident where 3 US PSYOPs agents worked as interns at CNN until it was reported upon. That is worrying, but a far cry from showing that CNN is the mouth piece of the US, or that they are committing some sort of "war on truth", especially when the context is killing journalists and employing entire agencies of people to troll online.
- alphonsegaston 10y agoOpposition to all of the offenses, when based on one's principles, extends to when they are committed by the United States. I know that propaganda outfits in the US and Russia would all love for us to become avatars of their power struggle, but we still retain individual moral autonomy and can exercise it as we see fit.
- dimitar 10y agoActually there is a false equivalency even if I take your list on face value - the things you mentioned are done by multiple actors: two US administrations, Congress, Tribal and sectoral militias, Middle-Eastern governments, even private entities (CNN). On the Russian side your have Putin and his vertical of power (the popular term for his centralized, personal rule of Russia). I also don't understand the point - is any of these things I listed OK because the "US" does them (or vice versa)? Looks like the 'Tu quoque' or 'appeal to hypocrisy' logical fallacy.
- throw_away 10y agoIt's also tradition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
- gaius 10y agoActually there is a false equivalency It is not false at all. The reality is that nations pursue their national interests, and the exact mechanism by which they organise themselves to do so is a mere implication detail.
- contrast 10y agoHow you organise yourself is a huge part of if and how you value people other than yourself. Some of us think democracy, free speech, civil liberties are important, because other people matter, and we are better off even with flawed implementations of those ideals. So sure, cast them aside as mere "implication details" if you like. The Internet will always be full of nihilistic kids who don't think anything is worth standing up for, and it's valuable to have examples to point to.
- gaius 10y agodemocracy, free speech, civil liberties are important That's funny because when any country engages in any policy it believes itself to be "the good guys". Russia didn't export revolution "because we are evil lol" but it saw itself as liberating the oppressed every bit as America does when it launches the bombers. Again. One bombing mission on average every 20 minutes for the last 8 years. Show me some actual evidence that American values are any different than Russia's.