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Interesting blog post, actually because it gives us a glimpse into exactly how serendipitous Facebook is with your data. I remember someone making a comment in

by iamdave 16y ago

Interesting blog post, actually because it gives us a glimpse into exactly how serendipitous Facebook is with your data. I remember someone making a comment in another FB thread here on HN to the effect of "I might opt-out of the social graph, and lock my profile down, but my data would still leak out of the cloud because of ONE photo a friend tagged me in". I think it's time for me to alert my closest contacts and let them know where I'll be. Facebook and I are done.

NathanKP 16y ago
let them know where I'll be Where are you going after Facebook? I'm interested in this because there is a nice opening niche to attract all the Facebook emigrants. Do you have a specific place in mind that you will join, or are you open to join a new social network startup built by HN members for example?
- iamdave 16y ago
  Well, I was thinking of spending more time with Jerry, George, Elaine and Kramer, and going back to email and text messaging but if you've got something planned I'd love to hear about it.
  - NathanKP 16y ago
    I'm currently working with another HN member to develop a startup based around doing things in real life with your real life friends. It is planned to be exact opposite of Facebook. Whereas Facebook is about playing Farmville, and other virtual distractions, our startup is aimed at helping you coordinate real life offline activities and events with your real life friends. Where Facebook harvests your info and violates your privacy, our startup will allow you to have complete privacy, and choose which info you want to share with your friends and which you want to share with the rest of the world. The code is only about 25% percent done (I'm working on this in my spare time around college classes and freelance web design work) but I hope to get it done within about a months time. I'll definitely be posting it here on HN for you and others to review and join if you desire.
    - budu3 16y ago
      Sounds interesting. I'm sure many of us here in HN would love a well built alternative where we are actually in control of our personal data.
    - DTrejo 16y ago
      Youth frequently use Facebook as a way to gauge a person's social "status" or popularity. Email me if you want to hear more about that aspect of it.
    - iamdave 16y ago
      This sounds interesting, but explain it to me using terminology other than contrasting it against Facebook, and tell me what it actually does.
      - NathanKP 16y ago
        We don't want to give away our entire idea plan before we even release the first version, but I'll explain some of the details. ;) The startup is based on the idea of events. It is designed so that extended groups of people who know each other in real life can post event or activity suggestions, either visible just to their friends, or visible to the general public. These events could be anything from a party, where numerous people are invited, to a date, where one person is invited, to a business meet up. For events where multiple people are invited and required to bring something (for example for a party) it will help coordinate people bringing items, by providing a check list that each person can volunteer to fulfill items from. There are other ideas that we are tying in one at a time, some planned for future releases as well, but that is our basic model, a social network which allows traditional digital association, but heavily encourages offline interaction.
        marksbren 16y ago
        Awesome. I have been working on a very similar product and have been looking for people to bounce ideas off and possibly work with. I think there is a big opportunity to provide an easy way to discover and organize events nearby. It solves a real problem (what's going on around me?). Drop me a note if you want to chat.
  - rjett 16y ago
    If Divvyshot had held out another couple months, I feel like there would have been a major opportunity to expand their services into a more private style FB. The opportunity would have been ripe in these past couple months of FB announcements/changes/infringements. I personally use FB mainly to see photos of my close friends. I might occasionally send a message or write a wall-post, but for the most part, I use gchat, email, texting, and phone as my main methods of communication. Granted, I'm not a FB power user, but I also think these last couple months have made even the power users reexamine how they use FB.
ay 16y ago
Quitting is too easy. I've changed my profile pic to contain a visual clue, and plan on staying. Here is how it looks like: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31350767&l=c685419803&id=1264252931 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31350767&l=c685419... With 300+ friends, this should make more impact than me just pulling the plug on FB (if my friends do not put me on ignore because of the eye pain caused by the red dot).
jsz0 16y ago
I'm just wondering do people apply the same rigid privacy protections offline? If so how? If not then why? Assuming you have to deal with people offline who are either not your friends or strangers doesn't leaving the house itself become a major privacy violation if you apply the same standards offline? I admit having the data online is potentially more far reaching. I'm just curious how people reconcile online/offline privacy concerns.
- ugh 16y ago
  I admit having the data online is potentially more far reaching. Much, much, much, much more far reaching. Isn’t that exactly the problem?

by iamdave 16y ago

NathanKP 16y ago

let them know where I'll be Where are you going after Facebook? I'm interested in this because there is a nice opening niche to attract all the Facebook emigrants. Do you have a specific place in mind that you will join, or are you open to join a new social network startup built by HN members for example?

iamdave 16y ago
Well, I was thinking of spending more time with Jerry, George, Elaine and Kramer, and going back to email and text messaging but if you've got something planned I'd love to hear about it.
- NathanKP 16y ago
  I'm currently working with another HN member to develop a startup based around doing things in real life with your real life friends. It is planned to be exact opposite of Facebook. Whereas Facebook is about playing Farmville, and other virtual distractions, our startup is aimed at helping you coordinate real life offline activities and events with your real life friends. Where Facebook harvests your info and violates your privacy, our startup will allow you to have complete privacy, and choose which info you want to share with your friends and which you want to share with the rest of the world. The code is only about 25% percent done (I'm working on this in my spare time around college classes and freelance web design work) but I hope to get it done within about a months time. I'll definitely be posting it here on HN for you and others to review and join if you desire.
  - budu3 16y ago
    Sounds interesting. I'm sure many of us here in HN would love a well built alternative where we are actually in control of our personal data.
  - DTrejo 16y ago
    Youth frequently use Facebook as a way to gauge a person's social "status" or popularity. Email me if you want to hear more about that aspect of it.
  - iamdave 16y ago
    This sounds interesting, but explain it to me using terminology other than contrasting it against Facebook, and tell me what it actually does.
    - NathanKP 16y ago
      We don't want to give away our entire idea plan before we even release the first version, but I'll explain some of the details. ;) The startup is based on the idea of events. It is designed so that extended groups of people who know each other in real life can post event or activity suggestions, either visible just to their friends, or visible to the general public. These events could be anything from a party, where numerous people are invited, to a date, where one person is invited, to a business meet up. For events where multiple people are invited and required to bring something (for example for a party) it will help coordinate people bringing items, by providing a check list that each person can volunteer to fulfill items from. There are other ideas that we are tying in one at a time, some planned for future releases as well, but that is our basic model, a social network which allows traditional digital association, but heavily encourages offline interaction.
      - marksbren 16y ago
        Awesome. I have been working on a very similar product and have been looking for people to bounce ideas off and possibly work with. I think there is a big opportunity to provide an easy way to discover and organize events nearby. It solves a real problem (what's going on around me?). Drop me a note if you want to chat.
- rjett 16y ago
  If Divvyshot had held out another couple months, I feel like there would have been a major opportunity to expand their services into a more private style FB. The opportunity would have been ripe in these past couple months of FB announcements/changes/infringements. I personally use FB mainly to see photos of my close friends. I might occasionally send a message or write a wall-post, but for the most part, I use gchat, email, texting, and phone as my main methods of communication. Granted, I'm not a FB power user, but I also think these last couple months have made even the power users reexamine how they use FB.

ay 16y ago

Quitting is too easy. I've changed my profile pic to contain a visual clue, and plan on staying. Here is how it looks like: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31350767&l=c685419803&id=1264252931 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31350767&l=c685419... With 300+ friends, this should make more impact than me just pulling the plug on FB (if my friends do not put me on ignore because of the eye pain caused by the red dot).

jsz0 16y ago

I'm just wondering do people apply the same rigid privacy protections offline? If so how? If not then why? Assuming you have to deal with people offline who are either not your friends or strangers doesn't leaving the house itself become a major privacy violation if you apply the same standards offline? I admit having the data online is potentially more far reaching. I'm just curious how people reconcile online/offline privacy concerns.

ugh 16y ago
I admit having the data online is potentially more far reaching. Much, much, much, much more far reaching. Isn’t that exactly the problem?