I hate them mostly? I've sent HTML emails before and they're a pain in the ass because they don't fully implement CSS. I've heard arguments that grid layouts ar

I hate them mostly? I've sent HTML emails before and they're a pain in the ass because they don't fully implement CSS. I've heard arguments that grid layouts are a step backwards because they put layout information back into HTML. I'm not really a web designer so this isn't really my debate. I'm just pointing out that "HN does it" isn't really a strong argument. Something might be the best available option for some particular task but still not optimal for a whole host of reasons. The point remains <table> tags do carry semantic information so it's useful when possible to restrict them to situations where that semantic information is correct.