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Why didn't they call the county sheriff if the local police were not responding? Why didn't the father have his second amendment rights restored prior to purcha

Why didn't they call the county sheriff if the local police were not responding? Why didn't the father have his second amendment rights restored prior to purchasing a firearm?

cc439 10y ago
I'm assuming they must have been in unincorporated/county jurisdiction as it was the county DA prosecuting and not the city one. County police are also far more likely to fail to respond in many places as county departments have vast amounts of area to cover with ever shrinking amounts of manpower due to budget constraints. That said, I have no idea how CA'slaw enforcement/county government/judicial/legal system might differ from that of the states I've lived in.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > I'm assuming they must have been in unincorporated/county jurisdiction as it was the county DA prosecuting and not the city one. This assumption is based on false premises; to wit, that there is such a thing as a "city DA" with a different geographical focus than the District Attorney of the county in which the city is located, such that offenses in city limits are prosecuted by the "city DA" and those in unincorporated areas are prosecuted by the "county DA". In California, however, DAs offices are county offices which cover all of the county, both incorporated and unincorporated areas; no city has its own DAs office (well, except San Francisco, but that's because the City and County of San Francisco is one entity.)
iaw 10y ago
I am not familiar enough with the circumstances to say but I'd suspect it was an issue of jurisdiction. Whatever police forces covered that area didn't have the funding to address "nuisance" complaints. The police were well aware of the situation and apologetic for their inability to help, the men involved in the harassment were all repeat convicts (one was a pedophile). My father has a felony conviction from the late 70's and has paid a fair amount of money trying to get his second amendment rights restored. California sucks about guns.
ufmace 10y ago
Last I've heard, the channels for getting second amendment rights restored are poorly documented and not often used, and for practical purposes are impossible to follow to completion without expensive lawyers that put the idea of it far out of reach of lower-income people. It's a particularly tough issue to get political movement on because the Left mostly likes helping felons get back to a normal life, but hates any kind of gun rights for anyone, while the Right likes gun rights, but doesn't much like helping felons.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> Why didn't the father have his second amendment rights restored prior to purchasing a firearm? If the felony was in federal court, that requires a Presidential pardon. If it was a California state court, it requires either a state pardon, or an after-the-fact reduction of the felony to a misdemeanor (which is not allowed for all offenses.) These are all rather exceptional processes; in general, both the federal and state bans on felons having guns are lifetime bans.

Why didn't they call the county sheriff if the local police were not responding? Why didn't the father have his second amendment rights restored prior to purchasing a firearm?

cc439 10y ago

I'm assuming they must have been in unincorporated/county jurisdiction as it was the county DA prosecuting and not the city one. County police are also far more likely to fail to respond in many places as county departments have vast amounts of area to cover with ever shrinking amounts of manpower due to budget constraints. That said, I have no idea how CA'slaw enforcement/county government/judicial/legal system might differ from that of the states I've lived in.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> I'm assuming they must have been in unincorporated/county jurisdiction as it was the county DA prosecuting and not the city one. This assumption is based on false premises; to wit, that there is such a thing as a "city DA" with a different geographical focus than the District Attorney of the county in which the city is located, such that offenses in city limits are prosecuted by the "city DA" and those in unincorporated areas are prosecuted by the "county DA". In California, however, DAs offices are county offices which cover all of the county, both incorporated and unincorporated areas; no city has its own DAs office (well, except San Francisco, but that's because the City and County of San Francisco is one entity.)

iaw 10y ago

I am not familiar enough with the circumstances to say but I'd suspect it was an issue of jurisdiction. Whatever police forces covered that area didn't have the funding to address "nuisance" complaints. The police were well aware of the situation and apologetic for their inability to help, the men involved in the harassment were all repeat convicts (one was a pedophile). My father has a felony conviction from the late 70's and has paid a fair amount of money trying to get his second amendment rights restored. California sucks about guns.

ufmace 10y ago

Last I've heard, the channels for getting second amendment rights restored are poorly documented and not often used, and for practical purposes are impossible to follow to completion without expensive lawyers that put the idea of it far out of reach of lower-income people. It's a particularly tough issue to get political movement on because the Left mostly likes helping felons get back to a normal life, but hates any kind of gun rights for anyone, while the Right likes gun rights, but doesn't much like helping felons.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> Why didn't the father have his second amendment rights restored prior to purchasing a firearm? If the felony was in federal court, that requires a Presidential pardon. If it was a California state court, it requires either a state pardon, or an after-the-fact reduction of the felony to a misdemeanor (which is not allowed for all offenses.) These are all rather exceptional processes; in general, both the federal and state bans on felons having guns are lifetime bans.