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For someone who doesn't really like CSS and has little design "sense", what would be your most recommended CSS Framework? I'd like lots of built in features, an

For someone who doesn't really like CSS and has little design "sense", what would be your most recommended CSS Framework? I'd like lots of built in features, and a grid/layout system that makes the most obvious sense in usage.. ie, if it invents custom terminology for what is a row or column, or perhaps has lots of "always use this class with a new row" style rules, that is stuff the developer needs to learn. Lower barrier to entry means it's easier to pick up and "get shit done" for side projects/etc. Less looking at documentation. At the moment i'm plain (non theme'd) SemanticUI. The UX/etc makes a lot of sense, the only downside is i'm using the plain CSS so i don't get a theme - but that's not a big deal. I can always add a separate build step for the css.

pmontra 10y ago
Bootstrap served me well. I'm a developer. I'm OK with CSS but I have little design "sense": I can tell if something is ugly or beautiful but I can't make something beautiful. Ugly yes. That's where Bootstrap came into help: it gave me reasonable defaults that customers without designers are OK with. Customers with designers often end up with a custom Bootstrap theme. I can't remember the last time a designer sent me a totally custom layout not based on some framework, usually Bootstrap.
- notheguyouthink 10y ago
  I'm really liking SemanticUI, but i'm thinking of switching to BootstrapV4 in the near future. The main reason being that Bootstrap has such a long history of tons of developers using it. Lots of devs mean lots of themes, documentation, etcetc. My only concern is going with V3 or V4. I'd like to use V4, but that puts me at a lack of themes/etc, which is basically the same spot i'm at with semanticUI.. feels like a no gain then.
kej 10y ago
I've really liked Picnic CSS [1]. The main selling point for me is that it styles most elements by default without you having to add redundant classes everywhere. Instead of Bootstrap's <button class="btn btn-default btn-hover"> you just do <button> and Picnic makes it look nice. It also leaves your HTML uncluttered if you do need to move up to something like Bootstrap later on. [1] http://picnicss.com/ http://picnicss.com/
- tedmiston 10y ago
  Thanks, hadn't seen this one before. Looks like it was quite popular on HN when it was introduced [1]. I'm not totally sure I'd ever use it over Bootstrap, though perhaps for a small app since it's so light. That said, my first impression of Pure [2] was similar, which is ~4 kb. It's fallen out of fashion a bit, but I still find it useful for a lightweight front end. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8315616 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8315616 [2]: http://purecss.io http://purecss.io

pmontra 10y ago

Bootstrap served me well. I'm a developer. I'm OK with CSS but I have little design "sense": I can tell if something is ugly or beautiful but I can't make something beautiful. Ugly yes. That's where Bootstrap came into help: it gave me reasonable defaults that customers without designers are OK with. Customers with designers often end up with a custom Bootstrap theme. I can't remember the last time a designer sent me a totally custom layout not based on some framework, usually Bootstrap.

notheguyouthink 10y ago
I'm really liking SemanticUI, but i'm thinking of switching to BootstrapV4 in the near future. The main reason being that Bootstrap has such a long history of tons of developers using it. Lots of devs mean lots of themes, documentation, etcetc. My only concern is going with V3 or V4. I'd like to use V4, but that puts me at a lack of themes/etc, which is basically the same spot i'm at with semanticUI.. feels like a no gain then.

kej 10y ago

I've really liked Picnic CSS [1]. The main selling point for me is that it styles most elements by default without you having to add redundant classes everywhere. Instead of Bootstrap's <button class="btn btn-default btn-hover"> you just do <button> and Picnic makes it look nice. It also leaves your HTML uncluttered if you do need to move up to something like Bootstrap later on. [1] http://picnicss.com/ http://picnicss.com/

tedmiston 10y ago
Thanks, hadn't seen this one before. Looks like it was quite popular on HN when it was introduced [1]. I'm not totally sure I'd ever use it over Bootstrap, though perhaps for a small app since it's so light. That said, my first impression of Pure [2] was similar, which is ~4 kb. It's fallen out of fashion a bit, but I still find it useful for a lightweight front end. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8315616 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8315616 [2]: http://purecss.io http://purecss.io