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Descriminating against women isn't an ideology - but feminism is. Slavery isn't an ideology, but anti-slavery is. Again, you are trying to counter the definitio

by Latty 10y ago

Descriminating against women isn't an ideology - but feminism is. Slavery isn't an ideology, but anti-slavery is. Again, you are trying to counter the definitions of what I'm saying, not the actual idea I'm talking about. Your point was that just because it's my opinion, I can't expect others to share that opinion. My point is that's bullshit - I can expect people to share my opinion that killing is wrong, say. I expect people to share my opinion that descrimination against women is wrong. Trying to nit-pick my analogy is irrelevant and shows you have no real argument against my point, you just want to continue the argument and make it sound like you are 'scoring points' by 'proving me wrong'. You deny my interpretation of the article, but give no reason for that. I have tried to work it out (the only way I can make sense of your position is if you think feminism is inherently bad) - and you claim that's not it. If you have a real reason then tell me. Why is my interpretation wrong? How does the other article's read make any sense after reading the original article?

dragonwriter 10y ago
> Descriminating against women isn't an ideology Discrimination against women is an element of many ideologies.
Chris2048 10y ago
> Slavery isn't an ideology, but anti-slavery is No it isn't. An ideology is a specific thing. belief in god is common among (specific) religions, but theism isn't a religion > Descriminating against women isn't an ideology - but feminism is Is the implication that feminism == anti-(female)-discrimination? sounds a lot like argument by dictionary definition. If this is what feminism is, or "discrimination" was strictly, and uncontroversially defined; a lot less would be able to bear that label. > Your point was that just because it's my opinion, I can't expect others to share that opinion This is correct, To make others share that opinion you need to convince them > My point is that's bullshit - I can expect people to share my opinion that killing is wrong, say And if you argued that, and people are convinced, then they would share your opinion. But there would be a lot of assumptions that are also your opinion that you would need to convince them of along the way - that "feminism" is the same as some definition of discrimination/unfairness, say. > Trying to nit-pick my analogy is irrelevant It's not a "nit", you analogy is totally misapplied. It only applied correctly according to a personal, unshared definition of "feminism", so what use is it if it depends upon another assumption? You must first convince someone of the assumption, before they'll accept another premise based on it. > you just want to continue the argument and make it sound like you are 'scoring points' by 'proving me wrong'. I doubt anyone but us two are still reading at this point. And I get less and less out of this. The more it continues, the more you throw out vague claims, premises and accusations, without further clarification of previous points; the accusation that I am motivated by 'point-scoring' for example, without any illustrative examples, or explanation. > You deny my interpretation of the article, but give no reason for that The author assumes a demon-haunted world. At the beginning of this thread we discussed that, and it seems we disagree on the facts. That's why. That said, it's not useful to assume my position in the way you describe, or at least be more diligent in doing so: "feminism is inherently bad" is a position directly contradicted by things I've said.

by Latty 10y ago

dragonwriter 10y ago

> Descriminating against women isn't an ideology Discrimination against women is an element of many ideologies.

Chris2048 10y ago

> Slavery isn't an ideology, but anti-slavery is No it isn't. An ideology is a specific thing. belief in god is common among (specific) religions, but theism isn't a religion > Descriminating against women isn't an ideology - but feminism is Is the implication that feminism == anti-(female)-discrimination? sounds a lot like argument by dictionary definition. If this is what feminism is, or "discrimination" was strictly, and uncontroversially defined; a lot less would be able to bear that label. > Your point was that just because it's my opinion, I can't expect others to share that opinion This is correct, To make others share that opinion you need to convince them > My point is that's bullshit - I can expect people to share my opinion that killing is wrong, say And if you argued that, and people are convinced, then they would share your opinion. But there would be a lot of assumptions that are also your opinion that you would need to convince them of along the way - that "feminism" is the same as some definition of discrimination/unfairness, say. > Trying to nit-pick my analogy is irrelevant It's not a "nit", you analogy is totally misapplied. It only applied correctly according to a personal, unshared definition of "feminism", so what use is it if it depends upon another assumption? You must first convince someone of the assumption, before they'll accept another premise based on it. > you just want to continue the argument and make it sound like you are 'scoring points' by 'proving me wrong'. I doubt anyone but us two are still reading at this point. And I get less and less out of this. The more it continues, the more you throw out vague claims, premises and accusations, without further clarification of previous points; the accusation that I am motivated by 'point-scoring' for example, without any illustrative examples, or explanation. > You deny my interpretation of the article, but give no reason for that The author assumes a demon-haunted world. At the beginning of this thread we discussed that, and it seems we disagree on the facts. That's why. That said, it's not useful to assume my position in the way you describe, or at least be more diligent in doing so: "feminism is inherently bad" is a position directly contradicted by things I've said.