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I don't think it really matters, humans can still innovate radical new art works anyway. That's all this stuff is based on, existing master works, it's just an

I don't think it really matters, humans can still innovate radical new art works anyway. That's all this stuff is based on, existing master works, it's just an augmentation. Besides, a LOT of the music people listen to is already heavily computer generated.

symlinkk 10y ago
> a LOT of the music people listen to is already heavily computer generated source?
- pmyjavec 10y ago
  Is this something you need a source for? People have been "producing" music using computer assited software for decades. I know people who have produced whole albums without ever touching an instrument and who know nothing about musical theory, the product? Pretty good. Music production software can correct melodies, autotune voices,setup chord progressions, lay down rhythms etc. You could probably argue that knowing advanced musical theory hasn't really been important for a long time because so many people love "simple" music. Pop, dance etc. This combined with the already practically endless amount of good already available practically makes the need for machine generated music redundant, the automation of musicians, photographers and painters happened a long time ago. I think music is largely about "discovery" now, there is just such an abundance of great stuff already available, you could never hear it all in a lifetime. But hey, people still manage to make great stuff and live music is still the life blood of it all ;)
  - mastazi 10y ago
    I did not downvote you but I think you are being downvoted because computer-aided music production and algorithmic music composition are two very different things; when using a DAW program, musicians still need to enter notes using some sort of GUI (nowadays the most common interface is called "piano roll")[1]. Algorithmic composition, on the other hand, is less common, and mostly relegated to avant-garde or art music, although there are examples in popular music such as Brian Eno[2]. [1] http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHelp/html/pianoroll.htm http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHelp/html/pianoroll.htm [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_music https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_music
    - pmyjavec 10y ago
      Cheers, this is a good point!
mastazi 10y ago
Yes it is true that style transfer just applies a known style to an existing picture so it could be considered as not producing original work (I should have chosen a better example), however there are examples of completely algorithmic generated art e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_art

symlinkk 10y ago

> a LOT of the music people listen to is already heavily computer generated source?

pmyjavec 10y ago
Is this something you need a source for? People have been "producing" music using computer assited software for decades. I know people who have produced whole albums without ever touching an instrument and who know nothing about musical theory, the product? Pretty good. Music production software can correct melodies, autotune voices,setup chord progressions, lay down rhythms etc. You could probably argue that knowing advanced musical theory hasn't really been important for a long time because so many people love "simple" music. Pop, dance etc. This combined with the already practically endless amount of good already available practically makes the need for machine generated music redundant, the automation of musicians, photographers and painters happened a long time ago. I think music is largely about "discovery" now, there is just such an abundance of great stuff already available, you could never hear it all in a lifetime. But hey, people still manage to make great stuff and live music is still the life blood of it all ;)
- mastazi 10y ago
  I did not downvote you but I think you are being downvoted because computer-aided music production and algorithmic music composition are two very different things; when using a DAW program, musicians still need to enter notes using some sort of GUI (nowadays the most common interface is called "piano roll")[1]. Algorithmic composition, on the other hand, is less common, and mostly relegated to avant-garde or art music, although there are examples in popular music such as Brian Eno[2]. [1] http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHelp/html/pianoroll.htm http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHelp/html/pianoroll.htm [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_music https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_music
  - pmyjavec 10y ago
    Cheers, this is a good point!

mastazi 10y ago

Yes it is true that style transfer just applies a known style to an existing picture so it could be considered as not producing original work (I should have chosen a better example), however there are examples of completely algorithmic generated art e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_art