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My counterpoint is the simple fact that we're even discussing this. Apple products used to "just work," and now they're a mess. I've never considered myself a

My counterpoint is the simple fact that we're even discussing this. Apple products used to "just work," and now they're a mess. I've never considered myself a diehard Apple fan, but over the years I've spent thousands and thousands of dollars on Apple products. From a 1 Gb iPad shuffle all the way up to a Retina MBP, and quite a few things in between. I don't need to argue if Apple is going down hill because I'm seeing it first hand while using their products, or, more often lately, choosing not to use their products.

coldtea 10y ago
>My counterpoint is the simple fact that we're even discussing this. Apple products used to "just work," and now they're a mess. My counterpoint is that I've been following Apple news ever since I was enthused with the idea of a NeXT-based OS X back in 2001, and know that "the simple fact that we're even discussing this" doesn't mean much. People, pundits, media have "discussing" that Apple "lost the plot", "is doomed", "can't compete anymore", etc. all the time, from the introduction to the iPod until now. Maybe this time it really is. But NOT because people are discussing this, because "people discussing this" has been a constant, not a differentiating factor for these times.