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"includes specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations of contact between Trump aides and Russian operatives" "It is not just unconfirmed: It

by alva 10y ago

"includes specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations of contact between Trump aides and Russian operatives" "It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors." If there is one thing you can get out of Trump's election, it is the methods of very powerful actors being brought into the light. Presumably due to the threat they face, panicking is revealing their structure and nature. This appears to be a full blown war. edit: Oh and by the way, looks like was a 4chan hoax that started early November. Expect small font corrections over the next week. Thats Fake News for you. edit edit: 4Chan hoax part was the "golden shower" section, that had been fed to political consultant and journalist Rick Wilson. This was included in the report. edit edit edit: Quotes I provided were from Buzzfeed who first broke the story, at which point other papers covered. https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.meDe2PGWV#.tuRgb8K7o https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-t...

toehead2000 10y ago
Do you have a link to something describing the hoax?
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- DefaultUserHN 10y ago
  From the hoaxer himself here... https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5nbqfu/mfw_the_cia_rick_wilson_buzzfeed_and_evan/dca75so/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5nbqfu/mfw_the_... Even other news stations are calling out BuzzFeed for publishing #FakeNews.
maxander 10y ago
Neither of the phrases you quote appear in the article. What are you talking about? Evidence 4chan had anything to do with it would be interesting, if you can provide it.
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akiselev 10y ago
What are the clear errors? I've been looking up small details like the names of the Russian officials mentioned (since I can easily read the Russian government websites) and names/times line up without any clear error. Details like Mikhail Kalugin's recall from the Washington embassy (easily checked against archives of Russian embassy websites) that weren't mentioned in any newsfeeds, including LexisNexis and other DB searches, are surprisingly accurate. If this is a hoax, it's an extremely well executed one.
- alva 10y ago
  https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.meDe2PGWV#.tuRgb8K7o https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-t... Check the disclaimers littered throughout.
  - akiselev 10y ago
    There's nothing "littered throughout." There is a few sentences in the middle that say: It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors. The report misspells the name of one company, “Alpha Group,” throughout. It is Alfa Group. The report says the settlement of Barvikha, outside Moscow, is “reserved for the residences of the top leadership and their close associates.” It is not reserved for anyone, and it is also populated by the very wealthy. Those aren't errors. Alfa Group is the spelling the company uses but the Russian names Альфа and Альфа-Банк are most commonly translated as Alpha and Alpha-Bank, including by many of the sources cited by the relevant Wikipedia article. I don't know if you've ever been to Barvikha but there are multiple "settlements" there that are fenced or guarded and where you can only build if you get approval from the local officials. I don't know if any of them are for party insiders but it wouldn't be a stretch considering Barvikha holds one of the official Presidential resorts.
mcphage 10y ago
The methods of very powerful actors being brought to light are... falling for your hoaxes?
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- DefaultUserHN 10y ago
  It's not the powerful actors that are falling for the hoaxes. It is the American people who are falling for the hoaxes.
  - mcphage 10y ago
    American people have always fallen for hoaxes. Hell, even Trump got into politics riding the Birther hoax.
    - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
      True. Half of Americans did fell for the lie that Obama was born in the Universe States. 10 Points of Forgeries found on Obama's Birth Certificate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLM But you are free to believe which ever hoax you want: The hoax that Obama was born in America or the hoax that Obama was not born in America.

by alva 10y ago

toehead2000 10y ago

Do you have a link to something describing the hoax?

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DefaultUserHN 10y ago
From the hoaxer himself here... https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5nbqfu/mfw_the_cia_rick_wilson_buzzfeed_and_evan/dca75so/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5nbqfu/mfw_the_... Even other news stations are calling out BuzzFeed for publishing #FakeNews.

maxander 10y ago

Neither of the phrases you quote appear in the article. What are you talking about? Evidence 4chan had anything to do with it would be interesting, if you can provide it.

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akiselev 10y ago

What are the clear errors? I've been looking up small details like the names of the Russian officials mentioned (since I can easily read the Russian government websites) and names/times line up without any clear error. Details like Mikhail Kalugin's recall from the Washington embassy (easily checked against archives of Russian embassy websites) that weren't mentioned in any newsfeeds, including LexisNexis and other DB searches, are surprisingly accurate. If this is a hoax, it's an extremely well executed one.

alva 10y ago
https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.meDe2PGWV#.tuRgb8K7o https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-t... Check the disclaimers littered throughout.
- akiselev 10y ago
  There's nothing "littered throughout." There is a few sentences in the middle that say: It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors. The report misspells the name of one company, “Alpha Group,” throughout. It is Alfa Group. The report says the settlement of Barvikha, outside Moscow, is “reserved for the residences of the top leadership and their close associates.” It is not reserved for anyone, and it is also populated by the very wealthy. Those aren't errors. Alfa Group is the spelling the company uses but the Russian names Альфа and Альфа-Банк are most commonly translated as Alpha and Alpha-Bank, including by many of the sources cited by the relevant Wikipedia article. I don't know if you've ever been to Barvikha but there are multiple "settlements" there that are fenced or guarded and where you can only build if you get approval from the local officials. I don't know if any of them are for party insiders but it wouldn't be a stretch considering Barvikha holds one of the official Presidential resorts.

mcphage 10y ago

The methods of very powerful actors being brought to light are... falling for your hoaxes?

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DefaultUserHN 10y ago
It's not the powerful actors that are falling for the hoaxes. It is the American people who are falling for the hoaxes.
- mcphage 10y ago
  American people have always fallen for hoaxes. Hell, even Trump got into politics riding the Birther hoax.
  - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
    True. Half of Americans did fell for the lie that Obama was born in the Universe States. 10 Points of Forgeries found on Obama's Birth Certificate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLM But you are free to believe which ever hoax you want: The hoax that Obama was born in America or the hoax that Obama was not born in America.