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Unsubstantiated Report Has Compromising Information on Trump

41 points by aburan28 10y ago

PerryCox 10y ago
CNN reported that John McCain got this information a while back and that he found the contents of it so damning that he personally gave it to the FBI director James Comey. The FBI already had received those reports from this intelligence firm but still it says a lot that McCain thought it necessary to personally deliver them. Here is a link from BuzzFeed that they site as a source: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intell... Note: These are just allegations at the moment and the link is not proof of anything but it is still pretty insane.
- coldcode 10y ago
  If there is any actual proof it needs to be made public at all costs. This is not the time to protect methods or some other crock. Unsubstantiated info isn't all that useful, however, since it is easy to brush off.
  - abrown28 10y ago
    And I already have.
alva 10y ago
"includes specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations of contact between Trump aides and Russian operatives" "It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors." If there is one thing you can get out of Trump's election, it is the methods of very powerful actors being brought into the light. Presumably due to the threat they face, panicking is revealing their structure and nature. This appears to be a full blown war. edit: Oh and by the way, looks like was a 4chan hoax that started early November. Expect small font corrections over the next week. Thats Fake News for you. edit edit: 4Chan hoax part was the "golden shower" section, that had been fed to political consultant and journalist Rick Wilson. This was included in the report. edit edit edit: Quotes I provided were from Buzzfeed who first broke the story, at which point other papers covered. https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.meDe2PGWV#.tuRgb8K7o https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-t...
- toehead2000 10y ago
  Do you have a link to something describing the hoax?
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
    From the hoaxer himself here... https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5nbqfu/mfw_the_cia_rick_wilson_buzzfeed_and_evan/dca75so/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5nbqfu/mfw_the_... Even other news stations are calling out BuzzFeed for publishing #FakeNews.
- maxander 10y ago
  Neither of the phrases you quote appear in the article. What are you talking about? Evidence 4chan had anything to do with it would be interesting, if you can provide it.
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- akiselev 10y ago
  What are the clear errors? I've been looking up small details like the names of the Russian officials mentioned (since I can easily read the Russian government websites) and names/times line up without any clear error. Details like Mikhail Kalugin's recall from the Washington embassy (easily checked against archives of Russian embassy websites) that weren't mentioned in any newsfeeds, including LexisNexis and other DB searches, are surprisingly accurate. If this is a hoax, it's an extremely well executed one.
  - alva 10y ago
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.meDe2PGWV#.tuRgb8K7o https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-t... Check the disclaimers littered throughout.
lisper 10y ago
Why on earth is the NYT publishing an "unsubstantiated report"??? Is journalism really dead?
- Miner49er 10y ago
  This report was briefed to the POTUS and PEOTUS today and several top Congressman by intelligence officials. That alone makes it newsworthy.
- deleted 10y ago
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carsongross 10y ago
Big if true, but Putin has a pretty solid alibi: he was riding his ritz cracker at the time: http://i.imgur.com/5PA8Y6g.gif http://i.imgur.com/5PA8Y6g.gif (Shitposting time is best time on HN)
skc 10y ago
At this point I'm almost certain this is a fake report, which will only strengthen Trumps position. What is that line from Batman? Some men just want to watch the world burn? This must all be very amusing to the person sat somewhere on his laptop pulling the media's strings.
- tim333 10y ago
  So it turns out the author is a former head of MI6’s Russia desk and a past president of the Cambridge Union and is now in hiding, worried he's going to get bumped off. Not what I expected.

41 points by aburan28 10y ago

CNN reported that John McCain got this information a while back and that he found the contents of it so damning that he personally gave it to the FBI director James Comey. The FBI already had received those reports from this intelligence firm but still it says a lot that McCain thought it necessary to personally deliver them. Here is a link from BuzzFeed that they site as a source: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intell... Note: These are just allegations at the moment and the link is not proof of anything but it is still pretty insane.

coldcode 10y ago
If there is any actual proof it needs to be made public at all costs. This is not the time to protect methods or some other crock. Unsubstantiated info isn't all that useful, however, since it is easy to brush off.
- abrown28 10y ago
  And I already have.

alva 10y ago

"includes specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations of contact between Trump aides and Russian operatives" "It is not just unconfirmed: It includes some clear errors." If there is one thing you can get out of Trump's election, it is the methods of very powerful actors being brought into the light. Presumably due to the threat they face, panicking is revealing their structure and nature. This appears to be a full blown war. edit: Oh and by the way, looks like was a 4chan hoax that started early November. Expect small font corrections over the next week. Thats Fake News for you. edit edit: 4Chan hoax part was the "golden shower" section, that had been fed to political consultant and journalist Rick Wilson. This was included in the report. edit edit edit: Quotes I provided were from Buzzfeed who first broke the story, at which point other papers covered. https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.meDe2PGWV#.tuRgb8K7o https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-t...

toehead2000 10y ago
Do you have a link to something describing the hoax?
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- DefaultUserHN 10y ago
  From the hoaxer himself here... https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5nbqfu/mfw_the_cia_rick_wilson_buzzfeed_and_evan/dca75so/ https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5nbqfu/mfw_the_... Even other news stations are calling out BuzzFeed for publishing #FakeNews.
maxander 10y ago
Neither of the phrases you quote appear in the article. What are you talking about? Evidence 4chan had anything to do with it would be interesting, if you can provide it.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
akiselev 10y ago
What are the clear errors? I've been looking up small details like the names of the Russian officials mentioned (since I can easily read the Russian government websites) and names/times line up without any clear error. Details like Mikhail Kalugin's recall from the Washington embassy (easily checked against archives of Russian embassy websites) that weren't mentioned in any newsfeeds, including LexisNexis and other DB searches, are surprisingly accurate. If this is a hoax, it's an extremely well executed one.
- alva 10y ago
  https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia?utm_term=.meDe2PGWV#.tuRgb8K7o https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-t... Check the disclaimers littered throughout.

lisper 10y ago

Why on earth is the NYT publishing an "unsubstantiated report"??? Is journalism really dead?

Miner49er 10y ago
This report was briefed to the POTUS and PEOTUS today and several top Congressman by intelligence officials. That alone makes it newsworthy.
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carsongross 10y ago

Big if true, but Putin has a pretty solid alibi: he was riding his ritz cracker at the time: http://i.imgur.com/5PA8Y6g.gif http://i.imgur.com/5PA8Y6g.gif (Shitposting time is best time on HN)

skc 10y ago

At this point I'm almost certain this is a fake report, which will only strengthen Trumps position. What is that line from Batman? Some men just want to watch the world burn? This must all be very amusing to the person sat somewhere on his laptop pulling the media's strings.

tim333 10y ago
So it turns out the author is a former head of MI6’s Russia desk and a past president of the Cambridge Union and is now in hiding, worried he's going to get bumped off. Not what I expected.