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I very much doubt osx let's you disable all data collection and still allow you use the store and its apps and iTunes content and all that.

by bostand 10y ago

hendersoon 10y ago
You can't use their store without any data collection because the core functionality of a store entails sending data to Apple. That's fine and I don't count it as telemetry. Like I said elsewhere in the thread, I expect Spotify to know I listened to "Bring Me to Life" by Evanescence when I streamed it via their program. That's perfectly fine. I don't expect MICROSOFT to know that.
- KirinDave 10y ago
  > That's perfectly fine. I don't expect MICROSOFT to know that. Why do you think they do as it stands? Unless of course you use the media player from their store. iTunes has a nearly identical setup. In general they're only collecting the outer edge of application usage. I hope people realize Apple effectively has the exact same data via their bundled store solution? The idea that MS is unique or even first here is wrong.
  - hendersoon 10y ago
    According to Microsoft, on "full" telemetry they actually could know I listened to that song if the Spotify program crashed. Note that Enhanced is the default today, but Full will be the default telemetry level in the update this thread is actually about. Anyway, that was just an example illustrating the difference between an application talking back to its server to deliver core functionality and OS telemetry.
    - KirinDave 10y ago
      Apple collects the crash reports for App store apps too. They just continued to use the brand testflight. But it's all Apple now. If the app developers elect to use testflight to manage crash reports (which they're suggested to do, and it's a good service for devs), then yeah, Apple owns that pipeline. So yeah, they do end up handling that data.
      - hendersoon 10y ago
        Apple allows you to turn it off. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202031 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202031 Again, I have no problem with telemetry being on by default, so long as the user is permitted to opt-out.

I very much doubt osx let's you disable all data collection and still allow you use the store and its apps and iTunes content and all that.

by bostand 10y ago

I very much doubt osx let's you disable all data collection and still allow you use the store and its apps and iTunes content and all that.

hendersoon 10y ago

You can't use their store without any data collection because the core functionality of a store entails sending data to Apple. That's fine and I don't count it as telemetry. Like I said elsewhere in the thread, I expect Spotify to know I listened to "Bring Me to Life" by Evanescence when I streamed it via their program. That's perfectly fine. I don't expect MICROSOFT to know that.

KirinDave 10y ago
> That's perfectly fine. I don't expect MICROSOFT to know that. Why do you think they do as it stands? Unless of course you use the media player from their store. iTunes has a nearly identical setup. In general they're only collecting the outer edge of application usage. I hope people realize Apple effectively has the exact same data via their bundled store solution? The idea that MS is unique or even first here is wrong.
- hendersoon 10y ago
  According to Microsoft, on "full" telemetry they actually could know I listened to that song if the Spotify program crashed. Note that Enhanced is the default today, but Full will be the default telemetry level in the update this thread is actually about. Anyway, that was just an example illustrating the difference between an application talking back to its server to deliver core functionality and OS telemetry.
  - KirinDave 10y ago
    Apple collects the crash reports for App store apps too. They just continued to use the brand testflight. But it's all Apple now. If the app developers elect to use testflight to manage crash reports (which they're suggested to do, and it's a good service for devs), then yeah, Apple owns that pipeline. So yeah, they do end up handling that data.
    - hendersoon 10y ago
      Apple allows you to turn it off. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202031 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202031 Again, I have no problem with telemetry being on by default, so long as the user is permitted to opt-out.