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>“There was no evidence of how the contraband got onto Dr. Rettenmaier’s hard drive,” Riddet wrote, “and it could have gotten there before he possessed the comp

by TACIXAT 10y ago

>“There was no evidence of how the contraband got onto Dr. Rettenmaier’s hard drive,” Riddet wrote, “and it could have gotten there before he possessed the computer or against his will.” Ha ha ha, no mention of his cell phone which contained ~800 images of (fully and partially) nude girls. [1] Another article I saw on this was claiming it wasn't child pornography because it wasn't depicting a sexual act. While that is true on a technicality, you still have multiple devices with pictures of underage girls. The image found on his computer was of a prepubescent girl, which a choker on, on all fours. [2] I am in computer security. If you allow someone else to access your computer (or your traffic, see: ISP) and they find something, and report it, I don't see how that constitutes an illegal search. I had some friends on FB freaking out about this case and the fourth amendment, I am totally fine with it. Good on the Best Buy tech and good on the FBI. This guy had pictures of under age girls on his devices and works in a position of power (gyno doctor). I'm glad this has come to light and I hope he goes to prison. 1. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fbis-use-best-buy-geek-squad-informants-exposed-long-running-child-porn-probe-1600279 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fbis-use-best-buy-geek-squad-inform... 2. http://www.ocweekly.com/news/best-buy-geek-squad-informant-use-has-fbi-on-defense-in-child-porn-case-7794252 http://www.ocweekly.com/news/best-buy-geek-squad-informant-u...

icebraining 10y ago
Is there any actual evidence of those phone pictures, besides "sources reported"? Also, he had photos in his unallocated space. Which could happen to you, if someone sent you an email or link, you opened it, and immediately deleted them. Sure, you might be aware enough not do this. Should we jail someone because they aren't? It's easy to forget the legal protections when it's someone we have prejudged. Hopefully they will still be around when they come for you.
- TACIXAT 10y ago
  Is there usually evidence provided to the public in ongoing court cases? There is just as much evidence that the Best Buy employee was paid by the FBI. We have what is reported in the news. So, with the reported deleted photo, and the reported photos on his mobile, yes, I have prejudged him. He can be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the state, I am not the state though. In this article [1] it says "prosecutors said", is that a good enough source? If a fact is not proven in a laboratory setting and peer reviewed do you disbelieve it? 1. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-geek-squad-child-porn-20160521-snap-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-geek-squad-child... Edit: Oh, but what if someone emailed him those 800 photos, he only opened them momentarily and then deleted them? Get your head out of the sand.
  - icebraining 10y ago
    He can be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the state Why? That's just another of those legal protections, like the 4th Amendment, which you don't seem to care much about. In this article [1] it says "prosecutors said", is that a good enough source? If a fact is not proven in a laboratory setting and peer reviewed do you disbelieve it? If a fact is claimed by the cops when they are trying to convince someone based on nothing but a few deleted files, I sure as hell don't take it as a matter of faith. Cops and prosecutors lie all the time, especially to the press. In fact, notice how they don't claim the girls in the phone pictures are underaged? For all we know, the guy simply likes to download perfectly legal pictures of nude 18+ girls for some file sharing sites, and happened to mistakenly also download a few illegal pictures, which he deleted. But regardless of facts, his life is now ruined, because many people will have prejudge him based on almost nothing, and he'll probably never be able to practice again even if he's acquitted. For the feds, that's just Monday, of course. --- In any case, my real point isn't whether you should think he's guilty, but that we shouldn't take away his legal protections just because we think he's guilty, because the whole point is that they must be universal. Cases against unsympathetic defendants are exactly what prosecutors use to further the erosion of legal rights. For everyone's sake, don't play their game.
    - TACIXAT 10y ago
      Authorizing a third party to work on your device does not constitute an illegal search. I would expect the exact same legal protections as he got. If I authorize a third party service to work on my device I assume they will be viewing the files. If I have illegal material on my computer I respect their duty to report it. Getting a 500 dollar payment from the government does not make you an agent of the state. At 15 dollars an hour that would buy ~33 hours of the employee's time. Two months later his coworker discovered the photo. Oh, and it lead to a search that discovered more child pornography. Should there be no reward system for crime tips? >Authorities say they also found child pornography on a laptop, multiple hard drives and an iPhone belonging to Rettenmaier. Maybe all those hard drives were just mailed to him though and he was in the process of deleting them. This is just someone trying to get out on a technicality. You can email the author of that article if you have questions on the sources. Maybe he can point you to court documents. 1. http://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/tn-dpt-me-0521-best-buy-update-20160520-story.html http://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/tn-dpt-me-0521...

by TACIXAT 10y ago

icebraining 10y ago

Is there any actual evidence of those phone pictures, besides "sources reported"? Also, he had photos in his unallocated space. Which could happen to you, if someone sent you an email or link, you opened it, and immediately deleted them. Sure, you might be aware enough not do this. Should we jail someone because they aren't? It's easy to forget the legal protections when it's someone we have prejudged. Hopefully they will still be around when they come for you.

TACIXAT 10y ago
Is there usually evidence provided to the public in ongoing court cases? There is just as much evidence that the Best Buy employee was paid by the FBI. We have what is reported in the news. So, with the reported deleted photo, and the reported photos on his mobile, yes, I have prejudged him. He can be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the state, I am not the state though. In this article [1] it says "prosecutors said", is that a good enough source? If a fact is not proven in a laboratory setting and peer reviewed do you disbelieve it? 1. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-geek-squad-child-porn-20160521-snap-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-geek-squad-child... Edit: Oh, but what if someone emailed him those 800 photos, he only opened them momentarily and then deleted them? Get your head out of the sand.
- icebraining 10y ago
  He can be innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the state Why? That's just another of those legal protections, like the 4th Amendment, which you don't seem to care much about. In this article [1] it says "prosecutors said", is that a good enough source? If a fact is not proven in a laboratory setting and peer reviewed do you disbelieve it? If a fact is claimed by the cops when they are trying to convince someone based on nothing but a few deleted files, I sure as hell don't take it as a matter of faith. Cops and prosecutors lie all the time, especially to the press. In fact, notice how they don't claim the girls in the phone pictures are underaged? For all we know, the guy simply likes to download perfectly legal pictures of nude 18+ girls for some file sharing sites, and happened to mistakenly also download a few illegal pictures, which he deleted. But regardless of facts, his life is now ruined, because many people will have prejudge him based on almost nothing, and he'll probably never be able to practice again even if he's acquitted. For the feds, that's just Monday, of course. --- In any case, my real point isn't whether you should think he's guilty, but that we shouldn't take away his legal protections just because we think he's guilty, because the whole point is that they must be universal. Cases against unsympathetic defendants are exactly what prosecutors use to further the erosion of legal rights. For everyone's sake, don't play their game.
  - TACIXAT 10y ago
    Authorizing a third party to work on your device does not constitute an illegal search. I would expect the exact same legal protections as he got. If I authorize a third party service to work on my device I assume they will be viewing the files. If I have illegal material on my computer I respect their duty to report it. Getting a 500 dollar payment from the government does not make you an agent of the state. At 15 dollars an hour that would buy ~33 hours of the employee's time. Two months later his coworker discovered the photo. Oh, and it lead to a search that discovered more child pornography. Should there be no reward system for crime tips? >Authorities say they also found child pornography on a laptop, multiple hard drives and an iPhone belonging to Rettenmaier. Maybe all those hard drives were just mailed to him though and he was in the process of deleting them. This is just someone trying to get out on a technicality. You can email the author of that article if you have questions on the sources. Maybe he can point you to court documents. 1. http://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/tn-dpt-me-0521-best-buy-update-20160520-story.html http://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/tn-dpt-me-0521...