> I fully expect this release to be their Windows 8 moment I get what you are saying and somewhat agree that naysayers are an overly represented demographical

> I fully expect this release to be their Windows 8 moment I get what you are saying and somewhat agree that naysayers are an overly represented demographically.... but... Apple has for 5 years been operating without strong direction. By many accounts it appears to be flailing, simply living off it's cache and tech R+D created from the 3 decades of Job's rule. It's clear Apple still makes the best hardware so that isn't in question. I do question, how they intend to stop the slow drain of talent from the company and users. They aren't supporting pros the way they did in the 80s 90s and 2000s. All the pros in movies, music, and graphic design used to use Macs. With the introduction of OS X programmers had a home. That was a strong component for influencing their coolness factor. No more. Apple alienated all of them with expensive outdated options like trashcan Mac Pro, and overly expensive unjustified new MBP. Logic isn't keeping up, FCP isn't keeping up, hardware specs aren't keeping up. iCloud is limited and isn't keeping up. This isn't a Windows 8 moment, this a late Windows XP moment. There is a slow drain that has started. We are approaching Windows Vista when everyone really gets turned off by how broken and discombobulated every product and service gets with the current lack of strong leadership.