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> This comes across as: "Now that we've got all your private data, there's a diminishing return on maintaining a system to collect it again No way -- there's n

> This comes across as: "Now that we've got all your private data, there's a diminishing return on maintaining a system to collect it again No way -- there's no such thing as "ALL your private data" (emphasis mine). You're always making more data, it never stops. There's no way there's diminishing returns on collecting it, nowadays those systems must be super cheap to maintain, especially for a company that runs one of the largest cloud computing systems in the world. > Am I needlessly cynical here? In reality, yes. In Hacker News Distortion Field, not even close.

kardos 10y ago
> You're always making more data, it never stops. Well, in one year of monitoring your PC, I've seen your tax returns, documents/photos, countless correspondence samples, countless voice samples, internet browsing history and online spending habits. I've identified everyone you regularly communicate with, a list of locations you regularly visit, and what your career path is. What is year two going to reveal? "Bought a new lawn mower"? "Finally joined a gym"?
- 2bitencryption 10y ago
  How the heck did you manage to see my tax returns? Does the privacy policy for these features indicate that you can send over the content of these documents, beyond simply the metadata -- in fact, where does it even say the metadata is sent? How did you see my online spending habits? Surely those were done over an encrypted connection online, and probably not to any of the services my OS manufacturer has partnered with. If anything, that data-in-motion is the most secure data there is. I'm so confused how this notion is so prevalent on HN.
  - kardos 10y ago
    The windows 10 "telemetry" is not a man-in-the-middle attack, it's a compromised endpoint. You don't know what's in the telemetry -- it's encrypted, and there's no (known) mechanism for you, the owner of the computer, to inspect it. It /could/ include what Microsoft claims it does, or it could include all of the above and more. I'm so confused why anyone would want to normalize the idea of backdoored computers that let Microsoft collect whatever data they want from your on a routine basis. Normally we consider this kind of thing spyware or malware and try to get rid of it stat, why does Microsoft get a pass?

kardos 10y ago

> You're always making more data, it never stops. Well, in one year of monitoring your PC, I've seen your tax returns, documents/photos, countless correspondence samples, countless voice samples, internet browsing history and online spending habits. I've identified everyone you regularly communicate with, a list of locations you regularly visit, and what your career path is. What is year two going to reveal? "Bought a new lawn mower"? "Finally joined a gym"?

2bitencryption 10y ago
How the heck did you manage to see my tax returns? Does the privacy policy for these features indicate that you can send over the content of these documents, beyond simply the metadata -- in fact, where does it even say the metadata is sent? How did you see my online spending habits? Surely those were done over an encrypted connection online, and probably not to any of the services my OS manufacturer has partnered with. If anything, that data-in-motion is the most secure data there is. I'm so confused how this notion is so prevalent on HN.
- kardos 10y ago
  The windows 10 "telemetry" is not a man-in-the-middle attack, it's a compromised endpoint. You don't know what's in the telemetry -- it's encrypted, and there's no (known) mechanism for you, the owner of the computer, to inspect it. It /could/ include what Microsoft claims it does, or it could include all of the above and more. I'm so confused why anyone would want to normalize the idea of backdoored computers that let Microsoft collect whatever data they want from your on a routine basis. Normally we consider this kind of thing spyware or malware and try to get rid of it stat, why does Microsoft get a pass?