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Microsoft mistake was to mark telemetry as such. Everyone where happy with win 7 and 8 where this was hidden from user...
by bostand 10y ago
Microsoft mistake was to mark telemetry as such. Everyone where happy with win 7 and 8 where this was hidden from user...
- kardos 10y agoBecause people have stopped using Windows in droves? What exactly went wrong for them through that mistake?
- hendersoon 10y agoWindows 10 telemetry collects far, far more data than the customer experience program did on Windows 7 and 8-- and you could opt out of the CEP. (Note that Microsoft patched Win10-style telemetry into Win7 and 8 in 2016, so this is no longer the case. But it was when those OS's were current.)
- KirinDave 10y agoBut Windows 10 doesn't collect much more than Apple and Safari do. It collects substantially less than iOS and Android do. And of course, all of this ignores that individual 3rd party software is actually the real culprit (along with websites).
- hendersoon 10y agoThat's immaterial, because MacOS allows users to opt-out of data collection. Windows does not. Mobile operating systems are a completely different animal.
- bostand 10y agoI very much doubt osx let's you disable all data collection and still allow you use the store and its apps and iTunes content and all that.
- hendersoon 10y agoYou can't use their store without any data collection because the core functionality of a store entails sending data to Apple. That's fine and I don't count it as telemetry. Like I said elsewhere in the thread, I expect Spotify to know I listened to "Bring Me to Life" by Evanescence when I streamed it via their program. That's perfectly fine. I don't expect MICROSOFT to know that.
- KirinDave 10y ago> That's perfectly fine. I don't expect MICROSOFT to know that. Why do you think they do as it stands? Unless of course you use the media player from their store. iTunes has a nearly identical setup. In general they're only collecting the outer edge of application usage. I hope people realize Apple effectively has the exact same data via their bundled store solution? The idea that MS is unique or even first here is wrong.
- hendersoon 10y agoAccording to Microsoft, on "full" telemetry they actually could know I listened to that song if the Spotify program crashed. Note that Enhanced is the default today, but Full will be the default telemetry level in the update this thread is actually about. Anyway, that was just an example illustrating the difference between an application talking back to its server to deliver core functionality and OS telemetry.
- KirinDave 10y agoApple collects the crash reports for App store apps too. They just continued to use the brand testflight. But it's all Apple now. If the app developers elect to use testflight to manage crash reports (which they're suggested to do, and it's a good service for devs), then yeah, Apple owns that pipeline. So yeah, they do end up handling that data.
- hendersoon 10y ago
- KirinDave 10y agoNo. OSX does not.
- CaptSpify 10y agoYou are correct, but how is that relevant? Just because someone else is doing something bad means MS is allowed to get away with it? All of them should be held accountable.
- frik 10y agoCan we flag and ban this MSFT shill accounts on HN? Their sock puppet accounts swamped over to HN around their DEV 2015 conference, doing PR for all new and great MSFT. It was all full of lies, and even VS Code comes will all these spyware. HN is about startups, and Silicon Valley, and investors and shady corporate things from a stoneage company don't fit quite well - who would use Windows and MSFT products with all those license costs for a startup anyway? Who would burn money for fun these days?
- sctb 10y agoHaven't we been through this again and again? Please stop making baseless accusations of shillage on HN.