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If the girls that don't sleep with their sponsors inevitably lose their sponsors, I think there is likely a legal case to be made that that is prostitution. Th

by jonlucc 10y ago

If the girls that don't sleep with their sponsors inevitably lose their sponsors, I think there is likely a legal case to be made that that is prostitution. The same could be said of canonical prostitution: some people pay prostitutes to talk and/or cuddle, but if they don't have sex, they will surely eventually lose clients.

iaw 10y ago
Can the sponsor expect a return of their money/goods if sex is not provided? The answer to that is no, which is why I draw the distinction.
- hendersoon 10y ago
  I'm sure they have a conversation at some point, and that conversation ends in an exchange of money for sex, even if they skirt around calling it that. Not that there aren't men who sign up to a sugar baby site, date much younger very attractive girls, pay them, and don't have sex with them. I'm sure that exists too, but only because the client really doesn't want that service.
  - iaw 10y ago
    There's a few exchange archetypes for sugar babies: 1) Girl immediately exchanges sex for goods/cash (rarest) 2) Girl makes a sexual exchange after a courting period (most common) 3) Guy isn't interested in sex but a female companion for emotional support 4) Girl is pretending like she does #2 but actually drops off after courting period 5) Girl is actually doing #2 but the guy is too creepy There is an element of consent involved because of the delay and indirect aspect of monetary exchange. Many sugar babies will question what differs them from traditional girlfriends other than that they are clear about how the relationship progresses.
    - hendersoon 10y ago
      You clearly know what you're talking about! Yep, that all reads right to me. Prostitutes can consent. They aren't /obligated/ to have sex with you just because you have $400 in hand. If they are, they're being coerced/trafficked and that is very clearly morally not OK. Questioning the difference is another justification for the "I'm not really a prostitute" self-deception. Anyone that can't tell the difference between a sugar and normal relationship either has never /had/ a real relationship or is deeply materialistic to their core.
- unprepare 10y ago
  can a 'John' expect his money returned if he is dissatisfied with his service? I think not being able to expect a return of your payment is because of the illegality of the exchange, not because the exchange is for something different altogether.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > Can the sponsor expect a return of their money/goods if sex is not provided? People can expect anything in any circumstances, but even with traditional prostitution (except, of course, where it is legal and therefore legal contract enforcement is available) you don't get your money back if the seller fails to provide sex. So you can't really use that to draw the line, since a "no" answer would make sugar babies exactly like (illegal) prostitutes.

by jonlucc 10y ago

iaw 10y ago

Can the sponsor expect a return of their money/goods if sex is not provided? The answer to that is no, which is why I draw the distinction.

hendersoon 10y ago
I'm sure they have a conversation at some point, and that conversation ends in an exchange of money for sex, even if they skirt around calling it that. Not that there aren't men who sign up to a sugar baby site, date much younger very attractive girls, pay them, and don't have sex with them. I'm sure that exists too, but only because the client really doesn't want that service.
- iaw 10y ago
  There's a few exchange archetypes for sugar babies: 1) Girl immediately exchanges sex for goods/cash (rarest) 2) Girl makes a sexual exchange after a courting period (most common) 3) Guy isn't interested in sex but a female companion for emotional support 4) Girl is pretending like she does #2 but actually drops off after courting period 5) Girl is actually doing #2 but the guy is too creepy There is an element of consent involved because of the delay and indirect aspect of monetary exchange. Many sugar babies will question what differs them from traditional girlfriends other than that they are clear about how the relationship progresses.
  - hendersoon 10y ago
    You clearly know what you're talking about! Yep, that all reads right to me. Prostitutes can consent. They aren't /obligated/ to have sex with you just because you have $400 in hand. If they are, they're being coerced/trafficked and that is very clearly morally not OK. Questioning the difference is another justification for the "I'm not really a prostitute" self-deception. Anyone that can't tell the difference between a sugar and normal relationship either has never /had/ a real relationship or is deeply materialistic to their core.
unprepare 10y ago
can a 'John' expect his money returned if he is dissatisfied with his service? I think not being able to expect a return of your payment is because of the illegality of the exchange, not because the exchange is for something different altogether.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> Can the sponsor expect a return of their money/goods if sex is not provided? People can expect anything in any circumstances, but even with traditional prostitution (except, of course, where it is legal and therefore legal contract enforcement is available) you don't get your money back if the seller fails to provide sex. So you can't really use that to draw the line, since a "no" answer would make sugar babies exactly like (illegal) prostitutes.