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> The ironic thing is how much simpler it would have been for Apple to give people what they actually wanted. This is not how Apple works. Apple decides what

> The ironic thing is how much simpler it would have been for Apple to give people what they actually wanted. This is not how Apple works. Apple decides what users want and builds that. If they are right, it's a smashing success. If they are wrong, people still buy it and then convince themselves that this is what they actually wanted.

scholia 10y ago
> convince themselves that this is what they actually wanted. Well, they don't have a choice of hardware suppliers, unless they are willing to take the Hackintosh route...
sfilargi 10y ago
> Apple decides what users want and builds that. You have a point there, but that decision didn't use to be at random(s/random/internal politics/), the way it seems to be now. "Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things" - Steve Jobs I suspect that the touchbar and the applewatch would be 2 of the 1,000 things.
- jolux 10y ago
  The Apple Watch was born out of Jobs' frustration with the state of data sharing in patient-doctor relationships. If you think that these are now just ideas that they randomly decided to follow through on you have no idea how many things they throw out.
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  - sfilargi 10y ago
    > The Apple Watch was born out of Jobs' frustration with the state of data sharing in patient-doctor relationships. I didn't know that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the watch would be introduced in the state/form it has been, or even that it would see the daylight at all.
    - jolux 10y ago
      But why shouldn't it? It's a popular device, makes Apple users even more conspicuous, and does a few things really well. It's basically the only wrist thingy that measures heart rate accurately, for example. It also includes a pulse oximeter which isn't currently in use. I would say the full story of the Apple Watch is not known to consumers yet, it's still sort of like the iPhone pre-App Store or pre-3G, say. The core elements of its success are there but the transformative potential is not yet realized in its entirety.

scholia 10y ago

> convince themselves that this is what they actually wanted. Well, they don't have a choice of hardware suppliers, unless they are willing to take the Hackintosh route...

sfilargi 10y ago

> Apple decides what users want and builds that. You have a point there, but that decision didn't use to be at random(s/random/internal politics/), the way it seems to be now. "Innovation is saying no to 1,000 things" - Steve Jobs I suspect that the touchbar and the applewatch would be 2 of the 1,000 things.

jolux 10y ago
The Apple Watch was born out of Jobs' frustration with the state of data sharing in patient-doctor relationships. If you think that these are now just ideas that they randomly decided to follow through on you have no idea how many things they throw out.
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- sfilargi 10y ago
  > The Apple Watch was born out of Jobs' frustration with the state of data sharing in patient-doctor relationships. I didn't know that, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the watch would be introduced in the state/form it has been, or even that it would see the daylight at all.
  - jolux 10y ago
    But why shouldn't it? It's a popular device, makes Apple users even more conspicuous, and does a few things really well. It's basically the only wrist thingy that measures heart rate accurately, for example. It also includes a pulse oximeter which isn't currently in use. I would say the full story of the Apple Watch is not known to consumers yet, it's still sort of like the iPhone pre-App Store or pre-3G, say. The core elements of its success are there but the transformative potential is not yet realized in its entirety.