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> I can't think of any reason to go back. IMO this just means you're somehow a "simple" user ("just" console tools, etc)

by swah 10y ago

adtac 10y ago
Huh? How is using the console over the GUI being a simple user? In fact, I could make an argument for the opposite.
- swah 10y ago
  I meant that people that complain about Linux commonly want Photoshop, support for games, cad tools like Altium, etc...
freehunter 10y ago
Okay, this has been getting more and more common. I've called it out in the past and people have shut me down, but I want to thank you for coming right out and saying it with those exact words. Thank you for proving my point. "You're not a professional user" has been implied way too damn often lately. It seems that the new MacBook Pro has brought out the worst in our community, where people now need to measure their self-worth based on the hardware specs of other people's work laptops. It started with people saying "The new MacBook Pro is not a professional laptop", with the hidden implication that anyone who uses one is not a professional user. If it's not a professional laptop and I use one, I can't be a professional. Simple as that. But now with you coming right out and saying "if you don't use the tools I do, you must be a simple user", you've exposed it for what it really is. It's a pissing contest. To be a real professional, you have to use tooling that requires an i7 with 32GB of RAM and software that only runs on my preferred platform. If you don't use my tools and my hardware, you're "simple". It's not just Apple fans, it's not just Linux fans, it's not just Windows fans. It seems pervasive. If you use macOS in 2017, you're not a professional. If you use Linux in 2017, you're simple. If you use -blank- in 2017 you're -blank-. Because my hardware, my software, my tooling is better. And actually in the Mac world, it's gotten to the point where if you aren't using a 2013 or 2012 MacBook, you're part out of the "out" crowd. The older the better. Whatever happened to the good old hacker mentality of "if it works, it works"? When the answer to "why" was "why not"? And since when did someone using "just" console tools mean they're a "simple" user?!
- ianai 10y ago
  That is a worrying trend. I could see people down playing others due to something like a continuation of the imposter syndrome. If you can discount someone through your own feelings of inequality then there's no actual problem for anybody with the new hardware.
- swah 10y ago
  Sorry - I meant in the sense that they only use one kind of tools (console based tools which work so well on Linux...). Many people that complain about Linux commonly want Photoshop, support for games, cad tools like Altium, some specific font rendering, etc...
vlunkr 10y ago
I think people have taken your use of the word simple as an insult, but I know what you mean. I've made an effort to avoid using most of the built-in mac apps so I could switch to Linux more easily if I needed to. I use Mail, but would have no problem ditching it.

> I can't think of any reason to go back. IMO this just means you're somehow a "simple" user ("just" console tools, etc)

by swah 10y ago

> I can't think of any reason to go back. IMO this just means you're somehow a "simple" user ("just" console tools, etc)

adtac 10y ago

Huh? How is using the console over the GUI being a simple user? In fact, I could make an argument for the opposite.

swah 10y ago
I meant that people that complain about Linux commonly want Photoshop, support for games, cad tools like Altium, etc...

freehunter 10y ago

Okay, this has been getting more and more common. I've called it out in the past and people have shut me down, but I want to thank you for coming right out and saying it with those exact words. Thank you for proving my point. "You're not a professional user" has been implied way too damn often lately. It seems that the new MacBook Pro has brought out the worst in our community, where people now need to measure their self-worth based on the hardware specs of other people's work laptops. It started with people saying "The new MacBook Pro is not a professional laptop", with the hidden implication that anyone who uses one is not a professional user. If it's not a professional laptop and I use one, I can't be a professional. Simple as that. But now with you coming right out and saying "if you don't use the tools I do, you must be a simple user", you've exposed it for what it really is. It's a pissing contest. To be a real professional, you have to use tooling that requires an i7 with 32GB of RAM and software that only runs on my preferred platform. If you don't use my tools and my hardware, you're "simple". It's not just Apple fans, it's not just Linux fans, it's not just Windows fans. It seems pervasive. If you use macOS in 2017, you're not a professional. If you use Linux in 2017, you're simple. If you use -blank- in 2017 you're -blank-. Because my hardware, my software, my tooling is better. And actually in the Mac world, it's gotten to the point where if you aren't using a 2013 or 2012 MacBook, you're part out of the "out" crowd. The older the better. Whatever happened to the good old hacker mentality of "if it works, it works"? When the answer to "why" was "why not"? And since when did someone using "just" console tools mean they're a "simple" user?!

ianai 10y ago
That is a worrying trend. I could see people down playing others due to something like a continuation of the imposter syndrome. If you can discount someone through your own feelings of inequality then there's no actual problem for anybody with the new hardware.
swah 10y ago
Sorry - I meant in the sense that they only use one kind of tools (console based tools which work so well on Linux...). Many people that complain about Linux commonly want Photoshop, support for games, cad tools like Altium, some specific font rendering, etc...

vlunkr 10y ago

I think people have taken your use of the word simple as an insult, but I know what you mean. I've made an effort to avoid using most of the built-in mac apps so I could switch to Linux more easily if I needed to. I use Mail, but would have no problem ditching it.