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As Steve famously said, if you don't want a tbMBP, don't buy it. If you buy one and you don't like it, take it back. Since that is/always has been the working

by Gorbzel 10y ago

As Steve famously said, if you don't want a tbMBP, don't buy it. If you buy one and you don't like it, take it back. Since that is/always has been the working approach, any chance the HN hive-mind could avoid posting EVERY single MBP->other laptop or macOS->*nix article?

MatthewWilkes 10y ago
The Macbook has been a very popular tool for a long time now. What's new isn't the ability to take it back, it's that people are actually doing it with this generation. I personally find this article useful, as the author actually tried the machine and didn't like it, rather than not buying it.
mikeash 10y ago
OK, sure. What else do you suggest I buy? When the best available product is no longer available, I don't think the "just don't buy it" approach is really a good response. (Full disclosure, I think the new MPB looks pretty decent, but for those who don't like it there's often no good alternative now.)
- Gorbzel 10y ago
  So, I reject the premise of your question & the groupthink, namely that the best product "is no longer available." Just like every other Revision A  product, people are considering the tradeoffs vs whether they still want to be on the platform ("If you don't like the iPhone 4..." ). Cupertino also likely needs to fix some bugs. Since that's a normal part of life I'd fully agree if this were the first time, but this is the 15th take or so on the tbMBP since it came out. Simply going by my history, people seem to like the XPS 13 Developer edition, machines from System76, the Thinkpad T460, as well as mentioning the Surface Book and/or Studio in every article as incontrovertible proof that Apple is doomed. Full disclaimer that YMMV, as ultimately, buying a machine is a subjective decision that will always have tradeoffs (this stunningly controversial take was flagged last time). Perhaps, just maybe, people who chime in "I find this article useful" could do the rest of the community who doesn't think Apple is dying on a daily basis a favor and do a search when they're in the market for a new laptop. But now we're just degrading into basic forum etiquette, a tale as old as time...
  - mikeash 10y ago
    If you understand that buying a machine is a subjective decision, then you should also realize that you can't reject the premise that the best product is no longer available, because "the best product" is likewise subjective. A lot of people saw the old MBP as the best out there, and now it's gone, and that upsets them. "Buy something else" is not a good response to that.

by Gorbzel 10y ago

MatthewWilkes 10y ago

The Macbook has been a very popular tool for a long time now. What's new isn't the ability to take it back, it's that people are actually doing it with this generation. I personally find this article useful, as the author actually tried the machine and didn't like it, rather than not buying it.

mikeash 10y ago

OK, sure. What else do you suggest I buy? When the best available product is no longer available, I don't think the "just don't buy it" approach is really a good response. (Full disclosure, I think the new MPB looks pretty decent, but for those who don't like it there's often no good alternative now.)

Gorbzel 10y ago
So, I reject the premise of your question & the groupthink, namely that the best product "is no longer available." Just like every other Revision A  product, people are considering the tradeoffs vs whether they still want to be on the platform ("If you don't like the iPhone 4..." ). Cupertino also likely needs to fix some bugs. Since that's a normal part of life I'd fully agree if this were the first time, but this is the 15th take or so on the tbMBP since it came out. Simply going by my history, people seem to like the XPS 13 Developer edition, machines from System76, the Thinkpad T460, as well as mentioning the Surface Book and/or Studio in every article as incontrovertible proof that Apple is doomed. Full disclaimer that YMMV, as ultimately, buying a machine is a subjective decision that will always have tradeoffs (this stunningly controversial take was flagged last time). Perhaps, just maybe, people who chime in "I find this article useful" could do the rest of the community who doesn't think Apple is dying on a daily basis a favor and do a search when they're in the market for a new laptop. But now we're just degrading into basic forum etiquette, a tale as old as time...
- mikeash 10y ago
  If you understand that buying a machine is a subjective decision, then you should also realize that you can't reject the premise that the best product is no longer available, because "the best product" is likewise subjective. A lot of people saw the old MBP as the best out there, and now it's gone, and that upsets them. "Buy something else" is not a good response to that.