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I actually like my 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. Speed is fine with my upgraded model and the display is great. Touch ID is very useful too. I rarely use the

by chmars 10y ago

I actually like my 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. Speed is fine with my upgraded model and the display is great. Touch ID is very useful too. I rarely use the touch bar and I still miss direct access to brightness / loudness up and down, but I have also learnt that a barely use function keys anymore. ESC on the Touch Bar is good enough, however, ESC has become less important on Mac OS, Photos.App for example seems not be support ESC at all. The battery is fine too. I use my MacBook mostly for long meetings, i.e., 5-6 hours, and up to now, there has always been plenty of battery left. That is of course with a rather new battery and for light news (using a text editor, viewing PDFs, some web browsing, distractions like e-mail / instant messaging / social media from time to time.) The keyboard … well, I don't really like it, but whenever I use my old 13" MacBook Pro (Retina), I don't like the old keyboard either. The real annoyance is the noise resulting from my fast and obviously rather hard touch typing. I am keeping my MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. On the other hand, I would immediately buy a MacBook Pro without Touch Bar if it came with Touch ID and more ports than the current MacBook Pro without Touch Bar. PS: How do you call the effect that you are more likely to like expensive products as a kind of self-deception? ;)

syrrim 10y ago
That would be cognitive dissonance. There is dissonance between your action (buying the laptop) and your thoughts (not liking the laptop). You either change your action (return the laptop) or change your thoughts (actually, I think I do like this laptop).
- grzm 10y ago
  [Edit to add: Though I read the parent comment a number of times, I missed a key line. Leaving my comment for context.] I've read your parent comment a number of times. Where do they express general dislike for the laptop? They say the keyboard is loud, and that if a non-Touch Bar model were available, they'd buy one, but other than that, I read it as them being happy with it: I actually like my 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar.
  - chmars 10y ago
    syrrim was answering my PS questions and not qualifying my comment.
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    - grzm 10y ago
      Ah, that's it. Don't know how I missed that as I read yours a number of times to see what I missing, but I very clearly did. Thanks for pointing it out!
- chmars 10y ago
  You're right but I was looking for a more specific term or word, and I've just found it! :) It's called post purchase rationalization, a special form of choice-supportive bias, a form of cognitive dissonance.
- ryao 10y ago
  That has been shown to be nonsense: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08tier.html http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08tier.html Also, I brought a 2016 MBP and contemplated keeping it despite not liking it because I wanted a Mac OS X development environment. I ended up returning it. There are more choices than the two you stated.
geerlingguy 10y ago
> On the other hand, I would immediately buy a MacBook Pro without Touch Bar if it came with Touch ID and more ports than the current MacBook Pro without Touch Bar. That was my biggest hesitation; I did love Touch ID, and the two extra ports. Living without them after two weeks of having them is proving to be annoying (but liveable). But one point of my post is that Apple shouldn't make me feel like I can either choose to be slightly robbed (Touch Bar), or suffer from a compromised experience (Function Key).
- barkerja 10y ago
  Then why not just disable the app controls feature of the touchbar and have it expanded always? It's configurable to behave the exact same way as the previous MacBook Pros.
K0SM0S 10y ago
I was thinking more generally of irrational escalation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment) sometimes called "sunk cost fallacy". The idea that you'll keep at something bad because you're already too invested, you have too much at stake to cut your loss now (common in Poker for instance, when you should fold rather than go down ever lower odds). Also probably, as so often, a bit of Confirmation Bias here and there. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)

by chmars 10y ago

syrrim 10y ago

That would be cognitive dissonance. There is dissonance between your action (buying the laptop) and your thoughts (not liking the laptop). You either change your action (return the laptop) or change your thoughts (actually, I think I do like this laptop).

grzm 10y ago
[Edit to add: Though I read the parent comment a number of times, I missed a key line. Leaving my comment for context.] I've read your parent comment a number of times. Where do they express general dislike for the laptop? They say the keyboard is loud, and that if a non-Touch Bar model were available, they'd buy one, but other than that, I read it as them being happy with it: I actually like my 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar.
- chmars 10y ago
  syrrim was answering my PS questions and not qualifying my comment.
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  - grzm 10y ago
    Ah, that's it. Don't know how I missed that as I read yours a number of times to see what I missing, but I very clearly did. Thanks for pointing it out!
chmars 10y ago
You're right but I was looking for a more specific term or word, and I've just found it! :) It's called post purchase rationalization, a special form of choice-supportive bias, a form of cognitive dissonance.
ryao 10y ago
That has been shown to be nonsense: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08tier.html http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/science/08tier.html Also, I brought a 2016 MBP and contemplated keeping it despite not liking it because I wanted a Mac OS X development environment. I ended up returning it. There are more choices than the two you stated.

geerlingguy 10y ago

> On the other hand, I would immediately buy a MacBook Pro without Touch Bar if it came with Touch ID and more ports than the current MacBook Pro without Touch Bar. That was my biggest hesitation; I did love Touch ID, and the two extra ports. Living without them after two weeks of having them is proving to be annoying (but liveable). But one point of my post is that Apple shouldn't make me feel like I can either choose to be slightly robbed (Touch Bar), or suffer from a compromised experience (Function Key).

barkerja 10y ago
Then why not just disable the app controls feature of the touchbar and have it expanded always? It's configurable to behave the exact same way as the previous MacBook Pros.

K0SM0S 10y ago

I was thinking more generally of irrational escalation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment) sometimes called "sunk cost fallacy". The idea that you'll keep at something bad because you're already too invested, you have too much at stake to cut your loss now (common in Poker for instance, when you should fold rather than go down ever lower odds). Also probably, as so often, a bit of Confirmation Bias here and there. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)