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What is puzzling to me is that although there are literally millions of Chinese people living abroad, apparently there's hardly any human-rights activism done b

by nandemo 17y ago

What is puzzling to me is that although there are literally millions of Chinese people living abroad, apparently there's hardly any human-rights activism done by Chinese expats. I'd love to hear of counterexamples.

tumult 17y ago
I've seen plenty
vorg 17y ago
Unfortunately, the United States discredited itself in the minds of many young Chinese over here when Bush Jnr took the US, UK, and Australia into Iraq after "creating" evidence of WMD's.
- riffic 17y ago
  I'm not sure I follow. What do the troubles of the U.S. have to do with the price of tea(or freedom) in China?
  - thiopental 17y ago
    It's futile to expect others to adhere to your moral standards (here: truthfulness) when they think you should clean up your own act first.
  - nandemo 17y ago
    I don't see the point either. Besides, there are lots of Chinese immigrants in countries other than US. It's curious how Bush-bashing gets automatic upvotes even when it's completely irrelevant (in this point HN isn't much different from reddit).
  - vorg 17y ago
    I'm writing from inside China. The US has the moral high ground with regards not blocking Dropbox, Google Groups, Blogspot, etc wholesale within the country, but China has the moral high ground with regards not invading foreign countries simply because "when you can you should". As thiopental wrote: "It's futile to expect others to adhere to your moral standards (here: truthfulness) when they think you should clean up your own act first."
potatolicious 17y ago
The West rails on China pretty relentlessly, sometimes with little provocation or justification. Nowadays China is like the boogeyman the government likes to pull out of their pocket on-demand - a lot like the Soviets back in the Cold War. I know expats who are uncomfortable protesting openly against China because of this - to protest against China is to side with the West, and thereby tacitly support this sort of boogeyman tactic.
c1sc0 17y ago
Because a lot of the Chinese coming here are part (or aspire to be) of the ruling class & don't want to openly challenge the status-quo?
acg 17y ago
I don't follow this issue closely but it strikes me as ridiculous. Descent against China's human rights is not exactly something that many people think about all the time unless it affects them directly. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8607769.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8607769.stm http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinese-dissident-goes-from-one-limbo-to-another/article1561091/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinese-dissident-... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/24/nobelpeaceprize.hujia http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/24/nobelpeaceprize.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents#Chinese_Government_Blacklist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents#Chin... Chinese dissidents seem to be in the news quite a lot to me, in fact it would seem part of the west's objections is due to the voices of some immigrant Chinese.

by nandemo 17y ago

tumult 17y ago

I've seen plenty

vorg 17y ago

Unfortunately, the United States discredited itself in the minds of many young Chinese over here when Bush Jnr took the US, UK, and Australia into Iraq after "creating" evidence of WMD's.

riffic 17y ago
I'm not sure I follow. What do the troubles of the U.S. have to do with the price of tea(or freedom) in China?
- thiopental 17y ago
  It's futile to expect others to adhere to your moral standards (here: truthfulness) when they think you should clean up your own act first.
- nandemo 17y ago
  I don't see the point either. Besides, there are lots of Chinese immigrants in countries other than US. It's curious how Bush-bashing gets automatic upvotes even when it's completely irrelevant (in this point HN isn't much different from reddit).
- vorg 17y ago
  I'm writing from inside China. The US has the moral high ground with regards not blocking Dropbox, Google Groups, Blogspot, etc wholesale within the country, but China has the moral high ground with regards not invading foreign countries simply because "when you can you should". As thiopental wrote: "It's futile to expect others to adhere to your moral standards (here: truthfulness) when they think you should clean up your own act first."

potatolicious 17y ago

The West rails on China pretty relentlessly, sometimes with little provocation or justification. Nowadays China is like the boogeyman the government likes to pull out of their pocket on-demand - a lot like the Soviets back in the Cold War. I know expats who are uncomfortable protesting openly against China because of this - to protest against China is to side with the West, and thereby tacitly support this sort of boogeyman tactic.

c1sc0 17y ago

Because a lot of the Chinese coming here are part (or aspire to be) of the ruling class & don't want to openly challenge the status-quo?

acg 17y ago

I don't follow this issue closely but it strikes me as ridiculous. Descent against China's human rights is not exactly something that many people think about all the time unless it affects them directly. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8607769.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8607769.stm http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinese-dissident-goes-from-one-limbo-to-another/article1561091/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/chinese-dissident-... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/24/nobelpeaceprize.hujia http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/24/nobelpeaceprize.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents#Chinese_Government_Blacklist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents#Chin... Chinese dissidents seem to be in the news quite a lot to me, in fact it would seem part of the west's objections is due to the voices of some immigrant Chinese.