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> "I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises and promotions wer

by usaphp 10y ago

> "I worked hard than the Americans for 3 years !. They pretty well knew I was an indentured servant and paid me 79K/annum. All salary raises and promotions were going to a handful of lazy Americans who rolls into the office whenever they wish." You seem to have a pretty aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job and paid much more than you were making in your home country. You also seem to have a measure of how hard someone works based on when they come to work, in tech it's who works smartest not hardest is the most valuable. > "I am happy I broke out this modern slavery system" Did Americans force you to come to states and work for them? It was your decision and you were always free to go and find something better in a different country if you wished.

thesagan 10y ago
I don't know. He might have had a choice between two shitty options, and took the less-shitty-but-still-shitty option. Many people don't want to go that far from home, friends, and family unless things need to immigrate for... tough reasons. You know, fallacy of relative privation and such. And as a "native" American, many of us are, or look, lazy compared to a lot of H1-B workers; both of which I personally know many. He's allowed to complain, because I'd like to be allowed to voice complaints from time to time, too. The Brits have the "chins up" monopoly, anyhow. ;) (Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty cheery guy.)
gdilla 10y ago
god forbid wanting to be treated fairly!
throwaway2017ab 10y ago
> aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job Am I not paying taxes just like everyone else ? So should I bow down my head just because I worked in some country ? I worked legally & sincerely and paid taxes. I will stop my aggression if I am given back the extra taxes that I paid which I have no use of being a temporary worker. Also remember that this is not your country. The country belongs to natives, your forefathers were refugees who took over. So there is nothing to be proud of it. > how hard someone works based on when they come to work, in tech it's who works smartest not hardest is the most valuable. It was not only "when" they came to work, If you read further, you will know that Americans generally are not ready to fix production bugs or grep log files or even do a maven release, atleast thats what I have seen. They drink coffee and gives all the work to H1Bs. Even they apply for the patents which they make them do using ideas from contractors of CTS, Syntel or TCS and Americans take credit for that. It will be fun if the H1B programme was fully stopped, because those lazy ones will have to start working again rather than free riding on H1B contractors. If you think you are smart. I challenge you, learn a foreign language(eg:Hindi), goto that country and try to compete with the native workers there, like I did. I learned English, got my Computer Science degree(very cheap) & I am competing with people like you. I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior. > It was your decision and you were always free to go and find something better Well, thats what I did. I didn't sulk & whine, I left US and is in another country which values my skills and not treating me as indentured servant. I really wish H1B visa system be stopped. The fun will start then, all those lazy ones who free rides and abuses H1B employees will feel the heat, because profit loving American corporates will outsource more jobs than they are doing now.
- usaphp 10y ago
  > "If you think you are smart. I challenge you, learn a foreign language(eg:Hindi), goto that country and try to compete with the native workers there, like I did. I learned English, got my Computer Science degree(very cheap) & I am competing with people like you. I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior." I came to US from Russia when I was 18, by myself... It seems like your attitude is the reason why you were treated like that at work, looking at your other comments I can just feel sorry for you, now you seem to be really pumped agains "americans", but if you had problems with "americans" who were drinking coffee and giving you all the "hard work" you should have said it in their face instead of being a keyboard warrior hiding behind throwaway accounts now and insulting them behind their backs. Just read what you wrote "I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior.", insulting a stranger who just gave you his opinion makes me believe you have some other issues and finding a perfect job will be really hard for you unless you deal with those...
  - saiya-jin 10y ago
    well said, sir, people come to US mostly for cash in millions and then complain they are kept in check... i understand there can be immigration frustrations, but let's get facts straight - a person who is coming from wealthy/relatively wealthy family in india (common folks there cannot afford good enough education to work even in call centrum and proper language courses - spent 6 months there, seen the place quite through), jumps on a plane, goes half around the world and expects to be treated like a king, just because he knows something that mililons other know too. Learning english is nothing to brag about, just basic literacy these days. For comparison - I am eastern europe migrant in Switzerland, learning my 4th language, and I can tell you immigration is TOUGH here, plus tons of highly skilled competition in IT (which might be quite unique situation in whole world). Yet complaining is not the way to achieve anything - I came here willingly, want to integrate, so I accept the rules and don't complain.
- thecupisblue 10y ago
  > you will know that Americans generally are not ready to fix production bugs or grep log files or even do a maven release Hilarious. You didn't really learn english from what I can see. Your computer science degree doesn't mean shit. Your attitude tells me I wouldn't hire you even if you worked for free.
Manishearth 10y ago
Are you aware that the majority of pre-revolution willing immigrants (so not counting slaves) to what eventually became the US came under indentured service? This is basically voluntary time-bound slavery. They, too, had a choice. They, too, had full rights to complain about it afterwards. It was a good thing that that was abolished. Not everyone coming here is fully aware of the consequences of what they are doing or have been misled. Additionally, humans are allowed to change their minds; and as you get settled in the country you lose that opportunity. Indentured service was orders of magnitudes worse than what H1-B does but there are a lot of similarities in the situations involved and the arguments surrounding them.
- taway_1212 10y ago
  > This is basically voluntary time-bound slavery. They, too, had a choice. They, too, had full rights to complain about it afterwards. It was a good thing that that was abolished. If both parties are willing, I'm not sure if the state should meddle in their affairs. In the US indentured servitude was still practiced (in spite of the ban) well into the XX century.
rtpg 10y ago
Amex seemed to have a pretty aggressive attitude towards a person who moved across the world to work for them. Here's a person who had a job, paid taxes, participated in daily life, helped this company grow, and you think you gave them something? They were hired by a company in the US, the company thanks them by paying them and helping them with immigration. This person was working like most of us, I don't see why they don't deserve to be treated like a human being. Calling this indentured servitude isn't a stretch. You uproot your life to come to the US, and now your new life is being held hostage through arcane immigration procedures. Of course they have the right to be pissed off! There's also the irony that most people "earned" the right to work in the US through the difficult task of being born in the country.
- usaphp 10y ago
  > "I don't see why they don't deserve to be treated like a human being." I don't see how he was not being treated like a human being? He was paid a salary he agreed to when he signed the contract, he did the work that he signed up for, we don't really know why he never got promotion, there could be many reasons why, his aggressive attitude might be one of them...

by usaphp 10y ago

thesagan 10y ago

I don't know. He might have had a choice between two shitty options, and took the less-shitty-but-still-shitty option. Many people don't want to go that far from home, friends, and family unless things need to immigrate for... tough reasons. You know, fallacy of relative privation and such. And as a "native" American, many of us are, or look, lazy compared to a lot of H1-B workers; both of which I personally know many. He's allowed to complain, because I'd like to be allowed to voice complaints from time to time, too. The Brits have the "chins up" monopoly, anyhow. ;) (Don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty cheery guy.)

gdilla 10y ago

god forbid wanting to be treated fairly!

throwaway2017ab 10y ago

> aggressive attitude towards people whose country gave you job Am I not paying taxes just like everyone else ? So should I bow down my head just because I worked in some country ? I worked legally & sincerely and paid taxes. I will stop my aggression if I am given back the extra taxes that I paid which I have no use of being a temporary worker. Also remember that this is not your country. The country belongs to natives, your forefathers were refugees who took over. So there is nothing to be proud of it. > how hard someone works based on when they come to work, in tech it's who works smartest not hardest is the most valuable. It was not only "when" they came to work, If you read further, you will know that Americans generally are not ready to fix production bugs or grep log files or even do a maven release, atleast thats what I have seen. They drink coffee and gives all the work to H1Bs. Even they apply for the patents which they make them do using ideas from contractors of CTS, Syntel or TCS and Americans take credit for that. It will be fun if the H1B programme was fully stopped, because those lazy ones will have to start working again rather than free riding on H1B contractors. If you think you are smart. I challenge you, learn a foreign language(eg:Hindi), goto that country and try to compete with the native workers there, like I did. I learned English, got my Computer Science degree(very cheap) & I am competing with people like you. I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior. > It was your decision and you were always free to go and find something better Well, thats what I did. I didn't sulk & whine, I left US and is in another country which values my skills and not treating me as indentured servant. I really wish H1B visa system be stopped. The fun will start then, all those lazy ones who free rides and abuses H1B employees will feel the heat, because profit loving American corporates will outsource more jobs than they are doing now.

usaphp 10y ago
> "If you think you are smart. I challenge you, learn a foreign language(eg:Hindi), goto that country and try to compete with the native workers there, like I did. I learned English, got my Computer Science degree(very cheap) & I am competing with people like you. I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior." I came to US from Russia when I was 18, by myself... It seems like your attitude is the reason why you were treated like that at work, looking at your other comments I can just feel sorry for you, now you seem to be really pumped agains "americans", but if you had problems with "americans" who were drinking coffee and giving you all the "hard work" you should have said it in their face instead of being a keyboard warrior hiding behind throwaway accounts now and insulting them behind their backs. Just read what you wrote "I will bet a million dollar that you don't have any other skills than being a keyboard warrior.", insulting a stranger who just gave you his opinion makes me believe you have some other issues and finding a perfect job will be really hard for you unless you deal with those...
- saiya-jin 10y ago
  well said, sir, people come to US mostly for cash in millions and then complain they are kept in check... i understand there can be immigration frustrations, but let's get facts straight - a person who is coming from wealthy/relatively wealthy family in india (common folks there cannot afford good enough education to work even in call centrum and proper language courses - spent 6 months there, seen the place quite through), jumps on a plane, goes half around the world and expects to be treated like a king, just because he knows something that mililons other know too. Learning english is nothing to brag about, just basic literacy these days. For comparison - I am eastern europe migrant in Switzerland, learning my 4th language, and I can tell you immigration is TOUGH here, plus tons of highly skilled competition in IT (which might be quite unique situation in whole world). Yet complaining is not the way to achieve anything - I came here willingly, want to integrate, so I accept the rules and don't complain.
thecupisblue 10y ago
> you will know that Americans generally are not ready to fix production bugs or grep log files or even do a maven release Hilarious. You didn't really learn english from what I can see. Your computer science degree doesn't mean shit. Your attitude tells me I wouldn't hire you even if you worked for free.

Manishearth 10y ago

Are you aware that the majority of pre-revolution willing immigrants (so not counting slaves) to what eventually became the US came under indentured service? This is basically voluntary time-bound slavery. They, too, had a choice. They, too, had full rights to complain about it afterwards. It was a good thing that that was abolished. Not everyone coming here is fully aware of the consequences of what they are doing or have been misled. Additionally, humans are allowed to change their minds; and as you get settled in the country you lose that opportunity. Indentured service was orders of magnitudes worse than what H1-B does but there are a lot of similarities in the situations involved and the arguments surrounding them.

taway_1212 10y ago
> This is basically voluntary time-bound slavery. They, too, had a choice. They, too, had full rights to complain about it afterwards. It was a good thing that that was abolished. If both parties are willing, I'm not sure if the state should meddle in their affairs. In the US indentured servitude was still practiced (in spite of the ban) well into the XX century.

rtpg 10y ago

Amex seemed to have a pretty aggressive attitude towards a person who moved across the world to work for them. Here's a person who had a job, paid taxes, participated in daily life, helped this company grow, and you think you gave them something? They were hired by a company in the US, the company thanks them by paying them and helping them with immigration. This person was working like most of us, I don't see why they don't deserve to be treated like a human being. Calling this indentured servitude isn't a stretch. You uproot your life to come to the US, and now your new life is being held hostage through arcane immigration procedures. Of course they have the right to be pissed off! There's also the irony that most people "earned" the right to work in the US through the difficult task of being born in the country.

usaphp 10y ago
> "I don't see why they don't deserve to be treated like a human being." I don't see how he was not being treated like a human being? He was paid a salary he agreed to when he signed the contract, he did the work that he signed up for, we don't really know why he never got promotion, there could be many reasons why, his aggressive attitude might be one of them...