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That sort of rhetoric may make you feel better, but anyone who voted the other way is not going to be "ashamed" because someone insulted them for it; they're ju

by mzw_mzw 10y ago

That sort of rhetoric may make you feel better, but anyone who voted the other way is not going to be "ashamed" because someone insulted them for it; they're just going to dismiss you even more and harden their positions. If you want to win these political debates, as opposed to just having a momentary emotional release, you need to reach out, not attack.

hnhg 10y ago
I think he means the people who misled voters, rather than the voters themselves. Edit: I think you're right about reaching out, btw.
rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
The problem as I see it is less how the people voted(/debated) either way, and more of the establishment's arrogant disdain for the people that disagree with them. "Those pesky proles wouldn't actually vote Leave, and even if a few do there's no way it will be a majority, so we can stay the course with the EU because that's all we are offering and they are gonna have to take it either way." - my mental image of center-left politicians. Exact same attitude annointed Clinton with the nomination.
pasquinelli 10y ago
Honestly, who needs to reach out? Did the Republicans get in the nice situation they find themselves in now by reaching out? If the Democrats learn from the Republicans they should wait for the pendulum to swing and meanwhile be as loud, vehement, and derisive as they can. Lay the groundwork for people think voting against the Republicans is a matter of life and death. Shit, trump might do that himself. I just hope it's only perception.
- rfrank 10y ago
  > Lay the groundwork for people think voting against the Republicans is a matter of life and death. Liberals already tried that this election, it's still impossible to go a day without a MSM outlet saying Trump is literally Hitler and that America is now a fascist state. It's probably not wise to eschew diplomacy when the GOP is as powerful at all levels of government from local to national as they have been in 80 years.
  - tormeh 10y ago
    >Liberals already tried that this election, it's still impossible to go a day without a MSM outlet saying Trump is literally Hitler and that America is now a fascist state. I think your definition of mainstream media is overly broad.
    - rfrank 10y ago
      Or I spend too much time on Twitter :)
- mzw_mzw 10y ago
  >Honestly, who needs to reach out? Did the Republicans get in the nice situation they find themselves in now by reaching out? Yes, as a matter of fact, they did. Trump flipped a lot of counties that went for Obama twice. I recommend you follow his example. Find some people on the other side who should be persuadable, and get to persuadin'.

by mzw_mzw 10y ago

hnhg 10y ago

I think he means the people who misled voters, rather than the voters themselves. Edit: I think you're right about reaching out, btw.

rm_-rf_slash 10y ago

The problem as I see it is less how the people voted(/debated) either way, and more of the establishment's arrogant disdain for the people that disagree with them. "Those pesky proles wouldn't actually vote Leave, and even if a few do there's no way it will be a majority, so we can stay the course with the EU because that's all we are offering and they are gonna have to take it either way." - my mental image of center-left politicians. Exact same attitude annointed Clinton with the nomination.

pasquinelli 10y ago

Honestly, who needs to reach out? Did the Republicans get in the nice situation they find themselves in now by reaching out? If the Democrats learn from the Republicans they should wait for the pendulum to swing and meanwhile be as loud, vehement, and derisive as they can. Lay the groundwork for people think voting against the Republicans is a matter of life and death. Shit, trump might do that himself. I just hope it's only perception.

rfrank 10y ago
> Lay the groundwork for people think voting against the Republicans is a matter of life and death. Liberals already tried that this election, it's still impossible to go a day without a MSM outlet saying Trump is literally Hitler and that America is now a fascist state. It's probably not wise to eschew diplomacy when the GOP is as powerful at all levels of government from local to national as they have been in 80 years.
- tormeh 10y ago
  >Liberals already tried that this election, it's still impossible to go a day without a MSM outlet saying Trump is literally Hitler and that America is now a fascist state. I think your definition of mainstream media is overly broad.
  - rfrank 10y ago
    Or I spend too much time on Twitter :)
mzw_mzw 10y ago
>Honestly, who needs to reach out? Did the Republicans get in the nice situation they find themselves in now by reaching out? Yes, as a matter of fact, they did. Trump flipped a lot of counties that went for Obama twice. I recommend you follow his example. Find some people on the other side who should be persuadable, and get to persuadin'.