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More women and people of color will pursue the necessary education under their own power when it becomes obvious that they can get jobs with it without having t

by Kluny 10y ago

More women and people of color will pursue the necessary education under their own power when it becomes obvious that they can get jobs with it without having to worry about unemployment due to discrimination. At the moment computer science is often considered a bad bet for women (for example) because they see so few women in the industry that they know it will be an uphill battle to pay off their very expensive degree.

dotnetisnotdead 10y ago
You are somewhat correct, as it applies to me. I didn't wait for magical liberal policies to fix everything. I pursued this path knowing I was at a disadvantage so I became so good at what I do they can't possibly ignore me. It worked.
pc86 10y ago
So "give less qualified people jobs because of arbitrary characteristics and people who look like them will become qualified" rather than "hire the most qualified person regardless of any arbitrary characteristics, and people will try to be the most qualified." > At the moment computer science is often considered a bad bet for women (for example) because they see so few women in the industry that they know it will be an uphill battle to pay off their very expensive degree. Nonsense. Things like your comment show that as long as you can pass the bar of "not unqualified" you're more likely to get a job if you're a woman, or a person of color, or whatever random immutable attribute someone is trying to pump up. I work with a bunch of white and Indian dudes. I'd love for the pool of my colleagues to be more diverse. But I'd rather work with 100% qualified Indian men than a group of less qualified people who perfectly match the gender and racial makeup of the US.
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  Sadly, so often 'qualified' is a subjective thing. And folks just love to imagine that people who are just like themselves seem more qualified. So we get cliques. And its hard to break into one. Also, no need for the strawman of "perfectly match". We could all start with making the effort to find actual, qualified people who help diversify. They're out there.

by Kluny 10y ago

dotnetisnotdead 10y ago

You are somewhat correct, as it applies to me. I didn't wait for magical liberal policies to fix everything. I pursued this path knowing I was at a disadvantage so I became so good at what I do they can't possibly ignore me. It worked.

pc86 10y ago

So "give less qualified people jobs because of arbitrary characteristics and people who look like them will become qualified" rather than "hire the most qualified person regardless of any arbitrary characteristics, and people will try to be the most qualified." > At the moment computer science is often considered a bad bet for women (for example) because they see so few women in the industry that they know it will be an uphill battle to pay off their very expensive degree. Nonsense. Things like your comment show that as long as you can pass the bar of "not unqualified" you're more likely to get a job if you're a woman, or a person of color, or whatever random immutable attribute someone is trying to pump up. I work with a bunch of white and Indian dudes. I'd love for the pool of my colleagues to be more diverse. But I'd rather work with 100% qualified Indian men than a group of less qualified people who perfectly match the gender and racial makeup of the US.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
Sadly, so often 'qualified' is a subjective thing. And folks just love to imagine that people who are just like themselves seem more qualified. So we get cliques. And its hard to break into one. Also, no need for the strawman of "perfectly match". We could all start with making the effort to find actual, qualified people who help diversify. They're out there.