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Both Google and Facebook both have datacenters/PoPs in Taiwan? I can't imagine the 24mm people there justify it, and both services are either largely unused or

Both Google and Facebook both have datacenters/PoPs in Taiwan? I can't imagine the 24mm people there justify it, and both services are either largely unused or blocked in the nearby PRC... I'm more surprised that Google has no presence in Japan, though.

bschwindHN 10y ago
Google has an office in Tokyo but I guess not a datacenter.
- pyvpx 10y ago
  but plenty of Google Global Caches, so performance (latency to cached objects and DNS queries) is still quite good
zeeZ 10y ago
They fixed that, at least for GCP. How the other Google bits fit into that, I do not know. They're planning to expand to a bunch of new regions this year. https://www.blog.google/topics/google-cloud/google-cloud-platform-tokyo-region-now-open-for-business/ https://www.blog.google/topics/google-cloud/google-cloud-pla...
mikecb 10y ago
They do. The above map is wholly owned DCs, but there are many more PoPs, and an enormous number of edge cache locations: https://peering.google.com/#/infrastructure https://peering.google.com/#/infrastructure
briandear 10y ago
There's a major Asia-Pacific undersea cable connected to Taiwan, so Taiwan is a useful Asia-Pacific gateway.
- mafribe 10y ago
  More precisely, Taiwan is well connected by direct cables to Japan, China, Philippines, Viet Nam, Malaysia, Thailand, Korea, Singapore and the US. As far as I'm aware Google owns a cable connecting Taiwan with Japan (part of [1]). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASTER_(cable_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASTER_(cable_system)
true_religion 10y ago
In my experience, having a PoP in Taiwan, means that some data requests from S. Korea, Philippines, and Australia are routed to that. I never know how that works, since Singapore and Tokyo, Japan should be closer---but it still happens.
- pyvpx 10y ago
  load and network conditions (paths from you to Tokyo are experiencing packet loss for $REASONS, Singapore is overloaded/broken/full, etc).

bschwindHN 10y ago

Google has an office in Tokyo but I guess not a datacenter.

pyvpx 10y ago
but plenty of Google Global Caches, so performance (latency to cached objects and DNS queries) is still quite good

zeeZ 10y ago

They fixed that, at least for GCP. How the other Google bits fit into that, I do not know. They're planning to expand to a bunch of new regions this year. https://www.blog.google/topics/google-cloud/google-cloud-platform-tokyo-region-now-open-for-business/ https://www.blog.google/topics/google-cloud/google-cloud-pla...

mikecb 10y ago

They do. The above map is wholly owned DCs, but there are many more PoPs, and an enormous number of edge cache locations: https://peering.google.com/#/infrastructure https://peering.google.com/#/infrastructure

briandear 10y ago

There's a major Asia-Pacific undersea cable connected to Taiwan, so Taiwan is a useful Asia-Pacific gateway.

mafribe 10y ago
More precisely, Taiwan is well connected by direct cables to Japan, China, Philippines, Viet Nam, Malaysia, Thailand, Korea, Singapore and the US. As far as I'm aware Google owns a cable connecting Taiwan with Japan (part of [1]). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASTER_(cable_system) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FASTER_(cable_system)

true_religion 10y ago

In my experience, having a PoP in Taiwan, means that some data requests from S. Korea, Philippines, and Australia are routed to that. I never know how that works, since Singapore and Tokyo, Japan should be closer---but it still happens.

pyvpx 10y ago
load and network conditions (paths from you to Tokyo are experiencing packet loss for $REASONS, Singapore is overloaded/broken/full, etc).