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>> "The world’s most popular camera" Citation needed.

yoz-y 10y ago
What was usually cited as a source for this that it is the camera which is used to upload the most photos to Flickr, Instagram and so on.
jackvalentine 10y ago
https://www.flickr.com/cameras https://www.flickr.com/cameras
- piyush_soni 10y ago
  So that makes it 'the most popular camera to be used for flickr', not the most popular camera.
  - cooper12 10y ago
    Where else do you want to look? Instagram? Facebook? It dominates those as well. Point-and-shoots are dead. While all professionals will prefer DSLRs, they only comprise a small part of the population. By any account iPhone cameras are the most popular. Anyway they're only saying popular, not "highest megapixel" or "highest quality" which would be something to be contended.
  - jackvalentine 10y ago
    Why are you being so prickly by a statement they've been making undisputed for years? Apple likely has much deeper market research than you or I do, and so do their competitors.
    - piyush_soni 10y ago
      Undisputed? How? Also, if they have much deeper research, why don't they come up with a link or something to support their claim? Why is asking for a reference offending so many people here?
      - jackvalentine 10y ago
        Undisputed in that in the 5 or so years they've been making it, it's been undisputed - even by competitors that would have good reason to prove it wrong. We've been able to verify it from third party sources like Flickr for those 5 years as well. People are annoyed at you because your original post was rudely curt and demanding for a throwaway marketing line that as I said above, we have no reason to doubt. As much as you'd like them to, no company is ever going to thoroughly reference their press releases. If you want sources, the media contact details for Apple are readily available on their site.
        piyush_soni 10y ago
        Me: "How it's undisputed?" You: "Undisputed in that for 5 years or so it's been undisputed". :). Then you went on to say the same thing that it's been popular on Flickr. I'm done here.
        jackvalentine 10y ago
        If it's been undisputed in the time they've been making the claim - how is it disputed? I'm honestly very confused about you. There seems to be a great communication gap here between you and the people responding to you that might be helped by you explaining your motivations in asking the question. Why won't you accept Flickr as an indicative proxy as to the accuracy of the statement? Surely you realise it's impossible to provide a perfect measurement of all camera use for all photos published and unpublished in the world? I see no reason and you've provided none to not use proxies to give us some kind of answer.
ClassyJacket 10y ago
I don't require citation for that. I'd be absolutely amazed if it wasn't true. It's such an immensely popular device.
- cyborgx7 10y ago
  What is an immensly popular device? "The iPhone"? Because they come out with new devices called that pretty regularly. And if you consider them all to be the same device you don't get to compare them to just one model of an android phone. That flickr link helps because it shows specifically the iPhone 6 to be the device most people us to upload pictures to the service. But that's hardly a perfect metric.
piyush_soni 10y ago
Love how one can get downvoted for asking for references. Fans.
- DanBC 10y ago
  You'll rarely get downvoted if you actually ask for references. But if you leave a bald [citation needed] you're going to get some downvotes.
  - piyush_soni 10y ago
    So how do you "actually" ask for reference? What I've written is the most direct one can be (without caring about sugar coating my sentence). People wouldn't have minded had I written: "I'm a long time fan of Apple and still love their products above any other company's, but I think some of their statements would get much more value if they support them with a third party reference like other companies do with asterisks and all, like a statement like their camera is most popular in the world could have been supported with some reference. " I bet, that would look like a neutral and balanced statement to all and most people would be happy with it, but as you can see, it's easy to fake it. The truth is I'm tired of Apple's hyperbole and people should question them. If you make a claim, support it with facts, otherwise don't write it.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      "Do you have any references for that please?" [citation needed] is just snark.
      - piyush_soni 10y ago
        >> is just snark. That's how you look at it. People can look at your (barely) rephrased question as a snarky comment too.
- pvdebbe 10y ago
  Truth be told, the wikipedia-originated meme is tired.
piyush_soni 10y ago
I mean, they don't even put an asterisk or something when they write that (e.g. "according to photos uploaded on Flickr"). In contrast, when Google writes Pixel's camera is the best, at least they put a star over there and write "according to DxOMark" somewhere at the bottom. It's that brazenness that I don't like about Apple.
- dep_b 10y ago
  1) Apple is pretty clear about it in their presentations 2) Google paid DxOMark some good money for that, they better get some usage out of it 3) The iPhone 7 Plus is going to reviewed by DxOMark "really soon"
dingaling 10y ago
> "The world’s most popular camera" Congratulations Sony!

yoz-y 10y ago

What was usually cited as a source for this that it is the camera which is used to upload the most photos to Flickr, Instagram and so on.

jackvalentine 10y ago

https://www.flickr.com/cameras https://www.flickr.com/cameras

piyush_soni 10y ago
So that makes it 'the most popular camera to be used for flickr', not the most popular camera.
- cooper12 10y ago
  Where else do you want to look? Instagram? Facebook? It dominates those as well. Point-and-shoots are dead. While all professionals will prefer DSLRs, they only comprise a small part of the population. By any account iPhone cameras are the most popular. Anyway they're only saying popular, not "highest megapixel" or "highest quality" which would be something to be contended.
- jackvalentine 10y ago
  Why are you being so prickly by a statement they've been making undisputed for years? Apple likely has much deeper market research than you or I do, and so do their competitors.
  - piyush_soni 10y ago
    Undisputed? How? Also, if they have much deeper research, why don't they come up with a link or something to support their claim? Why is asking for a reference offending so many people here?
    - jackvalentine 10y ago
      Undisputed in that in the 5 or so years they've been making it, it's been undisputed - even by competitors that would have good reason to prove it wrong. We've been able to verify it from third party sources like Flickr for those 5 years as well. People are annoyed at you because your original post was rudely curt and demanding for a throwaway marketing line that as I said above, we have no reason to doubt. As much as you'd like them to, no company is ever going to thoroughly reference their press releases. If you want sources, the media contact details for Apple are readily available on their site.
      - piyush_soni 10y ago
        Me: "How it's undisputed?" You: "Undisputed in that for 5 years or so it's been undisputed". :). Then you went on to say the same thing that it's been popular on Flickr. I'm done here.
        jackvalentine 10y ago
        If it's been undisputed in the time they've been making the claim - how is it disputed? I'm honestly very confused about you. There seems to be a great communication gap here between you and the people responding to you that might be helped by you explaining your motivations in asking the question. Why won't you accept Flickr as an indicative proxy as to the accuracy of the statement? Surely you realise it's impossible to provide a perfect measurement of all camera use for all photos published and unpublished in the world? I see no reason and you've provided none to not use proxies to give us some kind of answer.

ClassyJacket 10y ago

I don't require citation for that. I'd be absolutely amazed if it wasn't true. It's such an immensely popular device.

cyborgx7 10y ago
What is an immensly popular device? "The iPhone"? Because they come out with new devices called that pretty regularly. And if you consider them all to be the same device you don't get to compare them to just one model of an android phone. That flickr link helps because it shows specifically the iPhone 6 to be the device most people us to upload pictures to the service. But that's hardly a perfect metric.

piyush_soni 10y ago

Love how one can get downvoted for asking for references. Fans.

DanBC 10y ago
You'll rarely get downvoted if you actually ask for references. But if you leave a bald [citation needed] you're going to get some downvotes.
- piyush_soni 10y ago
  So how do you "actually" ask for reference? What I've written is the most direct one can be (without caring about sugar coating my sentence). People wouldn't have minded had I written: "I'm a long time fan of Apple and still love their products above any other company's, but I think some of their statements would get much more value if they support them with a third party reference like other companies do with asterisks and all, like a statement like their camera is most popular in the world could have been supported with some reference. " I bet, that would look like a neutral and balanced statement to all and most people would be happy with it, but as you can see, it's easy to fake it. The truth is I'm tired of Apple's hyperbole and people should question them. If you make a claim, support it with facts, otherwise don't write it.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    "Do you have any references for that please?" [citation needed] is just snark.
    - piyush_soni 10y ago
      >> is just snark. That's how you look at it. People can look at your (barely) rephrased question as a snarky comment too.
pvdebbe 10y ago
Truth be told, the wikipedia-originated meme is tired.

piyush_soni 10y ago

I mean, they don't even put an asterisk or something when they write that (e.g. "according to photos uploaded on Flickr"). In contrast, when Google writes Pixel's camera is the best, at least they put a star over there and write "according to DxOMark" somewhere at the bottom. It's that brazenness that I don't like about Apple.

dep_b 10y ago
1) Apple is pretty clear about it in their presentations 2) Google paid DxOMark some good money for that, they better get some usage out of it 3) The iPhone 7 Plus is going to reviewed by DxOMark "really soon"

dingaling 10y ago

> "The world’s most popular camera" Congratulations Sony!