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What have I done that makes you believe I'm unwilling to listen, or that I'm an aggressive jerk? I understand that I've expressed disagreement on a topic you c

What have I done that makes you believe I'm unwilling to listen, or that I'm an aggressive jerk? I understand that I've expressed disagreement on a topic you consider to be a sacred value. But have I done anything beyond that?

wpietri 10y ago
C'mon. I've seen you posting here for years. Of course I've seen you do more than express mere disagreement on a single topic. Disagreement is the norm here. What you do -- what you consistently do -- goes miles beyond that. And note that you sought out a comment not addressed to you to perform the exact behavior in question: aggressively demanding that somebody educate you. Not because it looks like you're sincerely interested in learning anything, but because it's an argumentative technique. If you actually want to understand this issue, find somebody whose job it is to teach you. Get a therapist versed in online culture, bring in a set of your discussions here, and pay her by the hour to help you see the pattern that is obvious to many other people. I doubt you'll do that, though, because I don't think you're seriously trying to learn anything here.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  And note that you sought out a comment not addressed to you... Am I correct in thinking you are new here, and unfamiliar with the format of HN? Just FYI, comments on HN are usually not addressed to any particular person. The format here is actually an open discussion that anyone can participate in. aggressively demanding that somebody educate you Could you link to the comment of mine which you believe is an "aggressive demand"? In terms of literally reading the text, none of my comments are a demand for anything. I'm also confused by your suggestions to pay a therapist. Do you also believe that people who agree with you are uninterested in learning if they fail to pay a therapist, or is it only people who disagree with you that you believe require mental help?
  - rmxt 10y ago
    Just FYI, you can click their name and view their profile to see how old the account is. I can't speak to the "not addressed to you" portion of the GP's post, because I do believe than HN benefits from its open discussion format, that allows for both threaded discussion and open commenting. But, I would venture to say that it's quite deceitful, i.e. an "aggressive demand", to drop in what you apparently know (c.f. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354198) will be an analogy (this one here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353366 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353366) that inspires "negative emotions" without providing any supporting arguments or information in the same post. Rather than starting from a point that (you do seem to know) will be inflammatory, why not start from claims directly related to the topic at hand, and work your way up to the point where the logic of making the analogy is immaculately clear? In this thread, you start with a 'jump' (straight to the civil rights movement), and then trickle out the details in children comments [1,2,3,5] as to why your point is relevant, and why people should ignore their emotional responses [4,5] like you do. Inducing emotional responses in others with one's writing is inevitable -- do you actually want to convince people of why your point holds water (using something like the strategy I propose), or do you only want to evoke anger and get people turning away in a huff (what you've done in this thread)? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354048 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354048 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353661 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354108 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354108 [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354198 [5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13357684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13357684
    - SamReidHughes 10y ago
      > In this thread, you start with a 'jump' (straight to the civil rights movement), and then trickle out the details in children comments [1,2,3,5] as to why your point is relevant, It should be very clear from the original post why the point is relevant. Some people might need some extra explaining, but they try their best to need it.
      - rmxt 10y ago
  - wpietri 10y ago
    Yes, this the kind of argumentative jackassery I don't have time for. You of course can tell how long I've been here, especially since I said so in the post you responded to. You of course can figure out that I'm familiar with the format of HN. You of course know I have already declined to educate you. You of course are not confused, but are conflating social help (which is what you are asking me and others for) with mental help (which is not a bad thing either). And you of course declined to address my actual point, instead picking out things to snipe at. These are all bad-faith argumentative techniques. They are exactly why I'm not interested in in answering your questions. They are not sincere questions.

wpietri 10y ago

C'mon. I've seen you posting here for years. Of course I've seen you do more than express mere disagreement on a single topic. Disagreement is the norm here. What you do -- what you consistently do -- goes miles beyond that. And note that you sought out a comment not addressed to you to perform the exact behavior in question: aggressively demanding that somebody educate you. Not because it looks like you're sincerely interested in learning anything, but because it's an argumentative technique. If you actually want to understand this issue, find somebody whose job it is to teach you. Get a therapist versed in online culture, bring in a set of your discussions here, and pay her by the hour to help you see the pattern that is obvious to many other people. I doubt you'll do that, though, because I don't think you're seriously trying to learn anything here.

yummyfajitas 10y ago
And note that you sought out a comment not addressed to you... Am I correct in thinking you are new here, and unfamiliar with the format of HN? Just FYI, comments on HN are usually not addressed to any particular person. The format here is actually an open discussion that anyone can participate in. aggressively demanding that somebody educate you Could you link to the comment of mine which you believe is an "aggressive demand"? In terms of literally reading the text, none of my comments are a demand for anything. I'm also confused by your suggestions to pay a therapist. Do you also believe that people who agree with you are uninterested in learning if they fail to pay a therapist, or is it only people who disagree with you that you believe require mental help?
- rmxt 10y ago
  Just FYI, you can click their name and view their profile to see how old the account is. I can't speak to the "not addressed to you" portion of the GP's post, because I do believe than HN benefits from its open discussion format, that allows for both threaded discussion and open commenting. But, I would venture to say that it's quite deceitful, i.e. an "aggressive demand", to drop in what you apparently know (c.f. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354198) will be an analogy (this one here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353366 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353366) that inspires "negative emotions" without providing any supporting arguments or information in the same post. Rather than starting from a point that (you do seem to know) will be inflammatory, why not start from claims directly related to the topic at hand, and work your way up to the point where the logic of making the analogy is immaculately clear? In this thread, you start with a 'jump' (straight to the civil rights movement), and then trickle out the details in children comments [1,2,3,5] as to why your point is relevant, and why people should ignore their emotional responses [4,5] like you do. Inducing emotional responses in others with one's writing is inevitable -- do you actually want to convince people of why your point holds water (using something like the strategy I propose), or do you only want to evoke anger and get people turning away in a huff (what you've done in this thread)? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354048 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354048 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13353661 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354108 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354108 [4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13354198 [5] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13357684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13357684
  - SamReidHughes 10y ago
    > In this thread, you start with a 'jump' (straight to the civil rights movement), and then trickle out the details in children comments [1,2,3,5] as to why your point is relevant, It should be very clear from the original post why the point is relevant. Some people might need some extra explaining, but they try their best to need it.
    - rmxt 10y ago
- wpietri 10y ago
  Yes, this the kind of argumentative jackassery I don't have time for. You of course can tell how long I've been here, especially since I said so in the post you responded to. You of course can figure out that I'm familiar with the format of HN. You of course know I have already declined to educate you. You of course are not confused, but are conflating social help (which is what you are asking me and others for) with mental help (which is not a bad thing either). And you of course declined to address my actual point, instead picking out things to snipe at. These are all bad-faith argumentative techniques. They are exactly why I'm not interested in in answering your questions. They are not sincere questions.